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Old 07-17-2017, 07:58 PM
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Love the research.

My vote says T213-1 is a T206.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:13 PM
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Love the research.

My vote says T213-1 is a T206.

Hey Schneider

Your my kind of guy. Yes, the 1910 COUPON cards should have been classified as another T206 brand.

I'm tired of talkin' about this subject....click on this link for the facts.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=237816&page=3
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This thread is a great example of why I love N54. I didn't know anything about these until this evening. Now I know there are more Scoops Carey and Woodie Thornton cards that I will never have!

In all seriousness, thank you for the thread, research and information.

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David,

I'd just like to add my thanks to you for taking the time and effort to put together such a thoughtful, informative post.

Your collection of hobby publications is amazing as well.

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Now I know there are more Scoops Carey and Woodie Thornton cards that I will never have!
Very reasonably priced Scoops T213-1 on the b/s/t ...
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=t213-1
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Thanks for the heads up!

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Very reasonably priced Scoops T213-1 on the b/s/t ...
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=t213-1
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:21 PM
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Picked up this T213-1 on the bay a couple of months ago. It was mistakely BIN priced as a T213-2.
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Anyone have an idea of why OBC lists T213's as 1 set of 385 cards, and all of them are listed as 1909? I sent them an email several months ago but I didn't receive a reply.
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Great read, David. So in conclusion it seems T213 isn't a T206 .
Leon - You are correct! Well, sorta... T213-2 and T213-3 are not T206's.... but T213-1 probably are and belong to T206 era of numerious brands which include different shape cards like AB, as well as different stock cards like Coupon Type 1's. Burdick had it right originally, but found it easier to just lump the 1's with the other two Coupon brands for Cataloging purposes.... Obviously those two are later productions of the t206 era coupon card. 1909-11 had many brands. Coupon was one of them, hence a T206.
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I have a couple of updates to this post. First of all, I did hear back from Lew Lipset, who said that as far as he knows, Clayton Schweitzer, the source of his checklist and other info on T213-3s, did not publish anything on T213s before Lew's Encyclopedia. He also said that he has been in touch within the past year with Schweitzer, who is still alive and well and still has all his T213s.

In the original post, I wrote: "I'm not aware of any more checklists or articles about T213s between 1948 and 1977, though it's possible that I'm missing something." It turns out that I was missing something. E. C. Wharton-Tigar, the prominent British card collector behind the World Tobacco Issues Index (1956), put out a series of "Cartophilic Typed Listings" with updated checklists and other information on various tobacco card sets from the WTI. Wharton-Tigar's Cartophilic Typed Listing #14, issued in 1966, included updated checklists on American tobacco baseball sets, including at least T210 and T213 (plus others, I assume). Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of this list, but a couple of articles providing additions to Wharton-Tigar's checklists subsequently appeared in Card Collector's Bulletin. One of these I've already posted: in the December 1, 1966 CCB (#165), Bob Solon wrote about T210s and the growth of that set's checklist over the years as more cards were discovered. Solon wrote that Charles Bray's 1950 Book of Checklists listed 531 cards in the set, "The 1960 Catalog jumped this number to 563, and our much-esteemed British traveler, E. C. Wharton-Tigar, raised the ante to 580 in his list #14." Solon then reported on the discovery of 29 more new T210s, bringing the total known to 609. I posted that article last year in this thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=225026. I didn't understand at the time what Solon meant by Wharton-Tigar's "list #14".

In the April 1, 1968 Card Collector's Bulletin (#173), Rich Egan had a short article (below) in which he mentioned Solon's additions to the T210 checklist in "Wharton-Tigar's Cartophilic Typed Listings #14", and then reported seven additions to Wharton-Tigar's checklist of T213-2 from the same publication. They include four team variations of known players, two previously unknown players, and the "Brooklyn" (vs. "Brooklyn Nat.") variation of Hummel. I don't know how many T213-2s Wharton-Tigar had in his 1966 checklist, but presumably it was between 139 (the number listed by Burdick in his 1948 checklist) and 144 (the 151 from the 1977 Sports Collectors Bible list, minus the 7 additions listed by Egan). If anybody knows the whereabouts of a copy of Cartophilic Typed Listing #14, I'd really love to see it.

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