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Old 07-25-2017, 05:00 PM
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I agree. At $8 I won't worry about it too much. But the cards coming from last night will offer good evidence as it's not just one card that can be explained away. Will update as soon as I have them. Thanks

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Your scan in the sleeve did clean it up some. You can barely notice that black spot/blemish in the border, but it is completely gone in her scan.

I didn't comment about those other spots as you can see them in both scans, albeit, her's are a little less noticeable.

I also believe it is the same card, but I guess there is a chance it isn't as I'm sure lots exist and of course shouldn't be too hard to find in that condition?

If it is, there is no doubt, imo, her's was cleaned up some. Either way, you didn't receive the same "looking" card as what she had for sale, and knowing her MO, one should not be surprised, no matter how little/subtle the changes, some changes were made.
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Old 07-25-2017, 05:04 PM
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I agree. At $8 I won't worry about it too much. But the cards coming from last night will offer good evidence as it's not just one card that can be explained away. Will update as soon as I have them. Thanks
I agree, and I am looking forward to seeing the scans of your new purchases.

Hopefully, for your sake, the changes, if any, are as subtle as they are in your Yas card.

Good luck.
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Old 07-31-2017, 03:07 PM
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Default 1958 Mantle AS

Not sure the best way to do this so I am going to do one card at a time. First the '58 Mantle AS. I'm posting 4 pics... Battlefield auction scan (blue background), my scan (white background) and my photo (wood grain background) and one of the back. The photo was difficult because of lighting. The one I am posting looks brighter white than the scans, but it's not far off. I'd say there is some dulling of the white border, but it is pretty nice.

My thoughts: I can't see any issues with this card. It's a nice card and I don't see any signs of "photoshopping". The back is nice and nicely centered. I look forward to different sets of eyes looking to see if there is anything I missed.
Chris

Original auction listing description: This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic & unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 very strong corners, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...vip=true&rt=nc
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Old 07-31-2017, 03:35 PM
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Default '63 Bombers' Best

This is a nice card, but not without issues. The two issues I see are "snow" in the background above the players and touches on the bottom 2 corners, which is common with the color border. I DO see some possible "doctoring" when comparing these images. In the Battlefield Auction scan (blue background), you see less/little snow. The bottom two corners look a little better on that scan, but not a lot. I purposefully included a sleeve on the card in my scan (white background) since hers has one. My photo (wood grain background) is whiter and actually closer to the color of the border of the card than the others.
I'm considering keeping this card. I would like opinions on the "snow" and how that might affect grade/value, and if you guys agree that the "snow" was likely photoshopped out on her scan.

Original ebay listing description: This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic & unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 very strong corners, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...72.m2749.l2649
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Last edited by Jenx34; 07-31-2017 at 03:40 PM. Reason: photo sizing
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:04 PM
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Default '60 Mantle AS

This is a card I am planning on returning. I can't say whether an honest mistake was made or if the "oversight" was what many on here have come to expect from Battlefield. The front of the card is nice with minor touches on the corners and a light surface wrinkle (through the middle of the 0) that I did not see when bidding. The auction description mentions it so that's on me. It's really minor and even difficult to see when holding the card. Looking at it even closer, it seems obvious that the "dirt" in the 0 was cleaned up in her scan as well as possibly some discoloration/spots in the bottom edge and around the M in Mantle.

The problem I have is the back. Battlefield doesn't show scans of the back of the card, but as you will see in the description there is no mention of paper loss anywhere. Check out the back and you will see it is quite obvious.

Original Ebay Auction description: This card is part of the rare Hi # series! This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic & unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 strong corners, near perfect centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, a small surface wrinkle on the front of the card, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...vip=true&rt=nc
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:33 PM
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Default '65 RBI & HR Leaders

Both of these cards are really nice and I don't see any discrepancies in Battlefield's scan and my scan/photo. If there was any doctoring, I'd say there was very little. Edit: At closer glance, there is a single black dot along the right edge of the HR Leaders card that is NOT in the Battlefield scan. The dot is barely visible to my eyes, but shows up better in the scan/photos. Still plan to keep these two, but disappointed because I wanted to give Battlefield a pass here.

Original RBI Leaders description: This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic & unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 very strong corners, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

Original HR Leaders description: This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic and unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 very strong corners, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-RBI-LEADE...vip=true&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-HOME-RUN-...vip=true&rt=nc
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File Type: jpg 64 AL HR Leaders.jpg (71.7 KB, 240 views)
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Last edited by Jenx34; 07-31-2017 at 04:38 PM. Reason: black dot additional text
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:52 PM
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Default '65 Mantle's Clutch HR - WS

This one I am truly on the fence about keeping or returning. Although the description listed light to moderate corner wear, I believe the Battlefield scan shows much less corner wear than there actually is. She may have described it accurately, but the scan can definitely fool you. I'll likely send it back, but I am curious as to everyone here's thoughts.

Original Ebay auction description: This card is in nice condition for its age! It is 100% authentic and unaltered! This card has no creases, light to moderate corner wear, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WORLD-SERIES...vip=true&rt=nc
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:53 PM
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Without question, every single blue-backgrounded pic/scan you've shown gives the illusion of much sharper corners and edges. 'Rounded' areas appear to be 'sharp' areas. It is unmistakeable and it is her constant M.O.! And her pics/scans are purposely a bit fuzzy to increase this impression. Your pics and scans are sharp. Why in heck aren't hers??? Because it's another tool in her arsenal of BS. She's as dishonest as it gets.
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Old 07-31-2017, 05:13 PM
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Default '75 MVP's 1957 Mantle/Aaron

This is the last one I will post. I plan to keep this card even though I see 2 instances of photoshopping, both near the top of the card. I am going to keep it because the card is still in good shape, it will serve as a backup to the '75 set I am 1 card from completing (#660 Hank Aaron, anyone?) and because I only paid $1.72 for it.

If you look at the top of the card, you will see a print dot in the black almost to the edge of the oval. Also if you look in the pink right under the top edge, you will see a print line that looks like a surface scratch. Both are definitely missing from the Battlefield scan (blue background).

Thank you for looking at all of these and offering your opinions. It is much appreciated.

Original Ebay auction description: This card has no creases, 4 strong corners, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-MVPS-MI...72.m2749.l2649
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:36 PM
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I attended my first ever World Seies in 1964. Unfortunately Musial had retired in 1963. That card supposedly depicting a clutch Mantle home run actual shows him whiffing on a Giibson fastball.
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