1952 Christmas Rack Pack with Mantle

[russkcpa]

I know all about these Christmas rack packs but have never seen a 52 Christmas Rack Pack with Mantle showing. Ebay seller is reputable but had this up last week and auction ended at $20K . Next day its back up for $24K Rack pack looks authentic down to the staples. Concerned about seal on bottom and fact that Mantle is on bottom of hanging pack instead of middle or top. Thoughts ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-TOPPS-C...53.m1438.l2649

[ronniehatesjazz]

Seems too good to be true. I’ve never seen 52’s before either but I’ve never got into the Xmas packs.

[jimjim]

Can you please educate me about these? Also why would someone sell this on eBay vs an auction house, if it was authentic?

[russkcpa]

Originally Posted by jimjim

Can you please educate me about these? Also why would someone sell this on eBay vs an auction house, if it was authentic?

PSA and SGC will not grade these rack packs. I tried to ask the seller a few questions but he banned me from asking questions or bidding. He had a 7 day return policy on other ad but current ad has ZERO return policy. Seems rather stupid if you return an untouched pack.

He sold 2 other 52 Christmas rack packs from same consignor which buyers are pleased with.

[irv]

Is this the same guy? I've asked similar questions on here about these rack packs and was informed by some very knowledgeable collectors that these are fakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya3m0P4TbN8

[lahmejoon]

Definitely stay away from these. They are too easily fabricated.

[russkcpa]

Originally Posted by lahmejoon

Definitely stay away from these. They are too easily fabricated.

Big fan of Mantle and Lahmajoon !!

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by irv

Is this the same guy? I've asked similar questions on here about these rack packs and was informed by some very knowledgeable collectors that these are fakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya3m0P4TbN8

So that guy is hilarious - Claims to "Love" 52 Topps but doesnt seem to have a clue on some the player names?

[Reggiejackson563]

It's a very appealing pack specially with the Mickey Mantle that mantle Definitely looks trimmed hopefully it's real.

[russkcpa]

Originally Posted by russkcpa

I know all about these Christmas rack packs but have never seen a 52 Christmas Rack Pack with Mantle showing. Ebay seller is reputable but had this up last week and auction ended at $20K . Next day its back up for $24K Rack pack looks authentic down to the staples. Concerned about seal on bottom and fact that Mantle is on bottom of hanging pack instead of middle or top. Thoughts ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-TOPPS-C...53.m1438.l2649

Well someone bought it from this miserable AH of a seller. No wonder he's changed his Ebay handle 4 times

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by russkcpa

Well someone bought it from this miserable AH of a seller. No wonder he's changed his Ebay handle 4 times

An offer was accepted at $15,200.......the Rizzuto and Spahn are likely as fake as the Mantle. If the other 9 cards are legit, it works out to be $1688.88 per common.

[chalupacollects]

So is the consensus that even the Mark Murphy ones are not legit either?

[ALR-bishop]

Tim-- if by legit you mean the Murphy packs were put together in the 60s, 70s or even early 80s by someone who then tried to sell them in retail stores at Christmas time in some unspecified time frame, there is no hard or conclusive evidence that I know of to confirm that. Nor is it clear whether whoever is churning them out today is different from the original source. But there are some, usually people claiming to sell or resell the Murphy "originals", that claim the older packs are more likely to be "legit" in that they are more likely to contain star cards in the middle because of being packaged at a time the cards were less valuable. But no one claims they were packaged by Topps and all seem to agree the cards are second hand returns or handled stock in Ex condition at best.

There are sellers who claim that by examining the staples and configuration of the packaging you can tell the old from the new packs. That maybe true but I am not CSI enough to verify that.

[Thecafewha]

I have a few 1962s. I've never opened any and only bought because they were cheap (nothing good showing). They aren't all the same header, staples or seal. I assume they are later packs, not from 60s or 70s.


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[jchcollins]

I've never understood the allure of the "Christmas" rack packs. If you are really into wax / unopened (I'm not...) why wouldn't you go for stuff known to be authentic?


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[ALR-bishop]

John---tend to agree with you but sad fact is that knowing what is authentic these days, be it wax packs or cello packs, is harder and harder to discern.

I have a Topps pack run ( some graded, some not) that I think is legit, but truth is I will likely never know for sure