Baseball Hall of Fame Vote

[tbob]

The best pitcher of each decade since the beginning of baseball is in the Hall. Jack Morris was the best pitcher in the 80's. He should be in. He was the ace of 3 pitching staffs and lead each to a world championship. If he had "Red Sox" or "Yankees" on the front of his uniform, he would already be in.
There is absolutely no proof that Jeff Bagwell ever took PEDs or steroids. He should go in with Morris next year.

[Bigdaddy]

The question is not whether someone had a Hall of Fame worthy career before taking PEDs or after. If that's the case, then Pete should be in becasue he was only fingered for betting on baseball after his playing career was over - he's not being touted for his managerial career.

It's not when you did it, or for how long, or how many bets you made, it's the fact that you intentionally cheated the game and the basis for competition. If someone chose to do that, then they should not be in the Hall. The Hall will not be diminished because of shady characters being left out.

[FrankWakefield]

That's not the deal with Pete. Please find a copy of The Fix Is In, then read it. After that, even most diehard Reds fans understand why Pete should never go in (excepting for when he buys an admission ticket, 363 days a year).

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by tbob

There is absolutely no proof that Jeff Bagwell ever took PEDs or steroids. He should go in with Morris next year.

Sure, there's no proof. However, he did:

- gain like 40-50 lbs of muscle during his career
- went from a career high of 20 HRs in 1993 to 39 in 1994, while playing in only 2/3 of a season
- was teammates with Ken Caminiti, an admitted 'roid user
- was teammates with Steve Finley, a widely-suspected 'roid user
- was teammates with Luis Gonzalez, another widely-suspected 'roid user
- had multiple joint injuries while playing a position that requires basically no throwing

Obviously, I have no proof that Bagwell did steroids. To me, however, the idea that he DIDN'T is pretty much laughable.

Tabe