OT- Pete Rose & the HOF

[FUBAR]

I am unsure if this has been discussed, i imagine it has but with all the new members, lets hear what others think.


Should Pete Rose (aka Charlie Hustle) be in the Hall of Fame?


My answer to this is Yes, because his gambling has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player!

[FUBAR]

I wanted to do a poll but couldn't figure out how to do that!

[nolemmings]

Here are some views on the subject from not that long ago:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=pete+rose

[FUBAR]

Poor Pete took a pounding in that thread...

What do people feel about others, should they get into the Hall?


Barry Bonds
Mark Mcgwire
Rafael Palmeiro
Jose Conseco
Sammy Sosa (the black one, not the new white one)

and even

A-fraud

[ChiefBenderForever]

Pete Rose will probably be elected when he is dead. He is the hit king and his gambling had nothing to do with that. As I've said before, if he isn't elected I am fine with that, as long as greats like Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Cap Anson and a few others are removed.

[steve B]

I think it would be a nice gesture if they put in Rose and Joe Jackson at the same time. But I'm not expecting that anytime soon.

One thing that also keeps Rose out is some of the other stuff he did off the field. Like selling the same "bat that got hit # XXXX" to several different people. I don't recall his ever using 4-5 bats simultaneously.


The modern guys I'm on the fence about. Technically, they didn't cheat as it wasn't against the rules at the time. But it's not really a hall of fame, nor as it often appears a hall of easily measured stats. It is a hall of popularity, especially popularity with the press. I think it's a bit unfortunate but public opinion as led by the press will judge them pretty harshly. Especially Bonds.

He's an especially sad case, I took a good long look at his career stats, and I came to the conclusion that barring major injury he would have set the home run record only a couple years later, maybe only a year later. (Unless you assume he'd been on the juice for years)

I honestly think they all belong, Juiced batters hitting off juiced pitchers, seems a bit of a wash. Over the long run I think people will consider it as hard to compare steroid era guys to other eras as it is to compare deadball era guys to those that came later.

Steve B

[Robextend]

Barry Bonds - YES
Mark Mcgwire - NO
Rafael Palmeiro - MAYBE
Jose Canseco - NO
Sammy Sosa (the black one, not the new white one) - MAYBE
Roid-Rod - YES


I think Bonds and A-Rod are still 1st ballot HOFers because their accomplishments IMO trump the fact that they are implicated in that scandal. Unless the voters are totally against any player implicated getting in, those 2 guys are sure to be HOFers.

Sosa and Palmeiro are tougher for me to decide. Palmeiro lied under oath, not sure how much that will hurt him. Are the numbers there? Sure, but I think he will have a tough time getting in. It is a shame because I grew up watching him destroy my Yanks, and he was one of the best pure hitters I ever seen. Sosa is another clown, not only was he implicated in the steroid scandal, he also was found with a corked bat! Then he all of the sudden forgets how to speak English in front of congress.

Canseco is a definite no...is he even on the ballot anymore? He just didn't have HOF type numbers when it was all said and done, plus he was seemingly the biggest roider of all time.

McGwire will probably not get in either. Besides being implicated in the steroid scandal, he was kind of a one dimensional player. Also the percentage of votes he has been receiving don't indicate he will get in.

Rob

[perezfan]

Regarding Rose... I say a resounding YES.

Regarding the others...

Bonds - Yes
McGwire - No
Palmeiro - No
Canseco - No
Sosa - Yes
A-Rod - Yes

I really don't care for the steroid-era players, but think some will eventually be considered, given the era they played in. They did cheat, but some would have made the Hall regardless (and I think the passing of time may be kind to the cream of the crop). I picked Bonds, Sosa and A-Rod, as all three will end up with over 600 HRs and I feel they were the best of the bunch that you laid out.

Just a gut feeling, and not based on any fact. I don't personally care for any of them... just guessing what may happen by 2020 or so.

[JasonL]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

I am unsure if this has been discussed, i imagine it has but with all the new members, lets hear what others think.


Should Pete Rose (aka Charlie Hustle) be in the Hall of Fame?


My answer to this is Yes, because his gambling has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player!

And Pete was all over the place, so I don't know what all the fuss is about!!! There were at least two displays that featured or prominently displayed Rose and his items...heck he had more stuff on display than many HOFers!
And Rose items abound in all of the memorabilia shops in that town...

[Chris Counts]

Yes, Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Most definitely. But I have much bigger problems with the Hall of Fame, and baseball's leadership in general, than I do with Pete Rose ...