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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074486/

Charlie have you seen it?

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Posted By: Charlie

Who were those people in the pictures? Somebody from the board?

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Posted By: Charlie

Actually I missed that one. I heard it was all about alteration.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

You had no issue with me until you opened your Tank Abbott sized mouth.

Did I post links to your auctions?
Did I create a letter from some yahoo bs account and circulate it?

NO Charlie.........I merely teased you about your handles I am well aware of since you have purchased cards from people on this board~

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Posted By: jay behrens

Josh, you and others may not consider removing pen and pencil, or pressing out creases alterations, but others do.

I give Charlie props for for coming forward, but as was pointed, he along comes foward and admits to things after a long drawn out process. I really have no hard feeling towards Charlie personally. He's made a wonder offer in the past to try and patch up things between after he felt he was out of line. I can respect that. At the same time, I will take anyone to task if I see something questionable. I dont' care who the person is.

I'd rate Charlie as dceent enough dealer that is much more forthcoming that most dealers.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: Charlie

Brian,

I have always liked talking with you. I was kind of backed into a corner and I reacted. I regret it now.

Does this mean we can put the blankets in the auction.

I will take out the matty and replace it with the blankets.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

Re: Deleted auction thread October 21 2006, 10:38 PM

"Who were those people in the pictures? Somebody from the board "


Charlie,are you drinking? look above! I stated in the Subject title it was jay and his brother. (joke-in case Jay wants to hire your dad to sue me or "make me pay" )

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Posted By: JK

Jeff,

For what it is worth, I interpreted both yours and marks question to deal with the original four or five cards in jays other post (including the cy young - which, according to jay, he had the biggest issue with). I did not interpret the question to mean every card in the auction. I dont think the original question was as clear as you may believe it to have been.

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Posted By: Charlie

Brian,

Which one was Jay?

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

you are not implying that piece of crap matty is mine now are you?????

you could have hired me to restore it properly for you!
I am an expert at air brushing.......... would you like to see some of my art work via oil on canvass? I have restored paintings for three board members!

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

I think you are wrong, Jeff's question was a follow up to Mark's who asked:
"Did you use any of these techniques on any of the cards offered in your current auction or were they merely cards you cracked out and resubmitted?"

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Posted By: leon

With all due respect the questions being asked seemed to be general in nature. Did anyone ever ask Charlie "Did you erase ink from the back of the Matty in question?" If he answered "no" then you are correct. To ask if he altered cards in his auction and he answered no...well, from what I have seen, given his and many others definition of altering, I think he answered correctly. We might just have to agree to disagree on this one. With respect to altering as I define it I still have not seen a real shred of evidence more than his twisted words....show me the beef? Where are the cards in his auctions that most would consider altered? Isn't that the real question instead of all of the interrogation?

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Josh, I disagree. I was referencing Mark's question which was the following:

"In your next post, you list list your techiniques for imporving cards (erasing, removing stains, laying down corners, art erasers, etc.) that you have use in the past.

Did you use any of these techniques on any of the cards offered in your current auction or were they merely cards you cracked out and resubmitted?"

The operative words being, of course, "any of the cards offered in your current auction ...."


Leon, of course that is the $64,000 question -- are any of Charlie's cards altered. I don't know myself - which is why I asked him. I'm not accusing him of anything other than being a horrible witness. Mark clearly asked if any cards in his auction had been altered. Mark's definition of 'altered' included erasing. Charlie said no...until he said yes (shades of John Kerry; can't we please bring that topic back to life???).

Charlie, I honestly don't mean to give you a hard time. Like Jay said, some of us don't want to buy cards that have erased marks. Simple as that. I'm still bidding on some of the cards in your auction. I think you just got very unecessarily defensive to (at least mine) simple questions.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

the big guy who will kick my ass next time he sees me and all your fault!



these were not restored,flattened,pressed,soaked or erased in any way!




next person who "interrogates" Charlie gets sued by me after I go toe to toe with them in some ambiguios octagon in space!

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Posted By: JK

Jay - when you post, try and make your posts accurate. I stated that I dont believe erasing pencil/pen to be alteration. I said nothing about pressing a crease and yet you lump me in that group. Now, as far as putting a card in a screwdown - an item designed to hold a card - that is not pressing in my opinion. Pressing would be something akin to wetting the card and rolling to flatten out creases. I never condoned that - nor, to my knowledge, did charlie. What do you hold all of your ungraded cards in? I certainly hope you dont have any in screwdowns because if you do, you will forever be known as a "presser" in my book.

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Posted By: Charlie

It sounds like I was wrong about oh well I tried to get the heat off me. Sorry peter.

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Posted By: leon

That would be a false statement, from the way it looks, but still not change my mind about the altering of cards in his auction. Show me the cards that have been altered, by most people's definition, or let's get out of court? This is all said in friendliness, btw...

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Posted By: JK

Peter/Jeff - I stand corrected as to the question itself. However, the thread and the accusations last night revolved around 4 or 5 cards. To me, they were the issue and placed in that context, I misinterpreted the question. But you are right - I did not read the question correctly myself.

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Posted By: Charlie

Leon,

Did you know your E103 cobb sold for $11000 on ebay?

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Posted By: Charlie

Brian,

If I can have the blankets implace of the matty lot, I will give you the Matty.

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Posted By: JK

Jeff/Peter - I will also add, that mark's question was "were any of these techniques used to IMPROVE the cards". Despite the grade, I dont think the matty was improved at all.

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Posted By: leon

I never personally owned that E103. I buy a few cases for display each year from Scott B. so it was probably his...I never owned that card...just to clarify..

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

My God, the time we have wasted on this thread. I could have billed a few more hours and used the booty to buy some of Charlie's erased cards by now....

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

did you bid on it? just wondering. Don't make me check!

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Posted By: Charlie

Broklemen has great stuff at the nationl.

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Posted By: Charlie

Bid on what?

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Posted By: leon

If that was the E103 Cobby then I did own it. I didn't own the Lajoie pictured in this thread...I guess my head is spinning. If he got 11k for that card he owes me a soda at next years National, if he goes. Congratulations to him. I wish he would have gotten 100k for it. Bless his heart.... Why not?

btw, I know that Greg had two E103 Cobby's including mine at the National (or owned at the time)...the other was much nicer than mine...so be careful here...

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

but do I still get the $50 the blankets will realize after your faithful try to push me outside when no one is looking at a show in LA or San Fran and you taunt me to go to blows with you? I'm retired and wont do it just so you know. I believe in the 30 pound rule. I will not mess with anyone who is 30 pounds heavier than I at my age. I only weigh 180 so you and Jay will have to go toe to toe.

bid on what??

The E-103 COBB Charlie what else?

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Posted By: Charlie

Leon,

I am with you but that is not the vibe I get from this crew. I don't here the champange bottles popping after I got the cobb from a 3 to a 4

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Posted By: Charlie

Done.

I will make the change tomorrow after I get some rest. I love card shows I am too busy trying to get upgrades to worry about fighting anybody, especially someone who it 0-1 in the UFC, Just joking.

Charlie

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Posted By: Charlie

I did not bid on the e103 too rich for my blood, I like to play the 200 matty 1.5s so I can get into in a 2.5 in order to make 12.81 net of fees.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

you need to go view that link again.that was NOT the UFC!

shall I come to the next big show in full AF uniform with insignias as to where I was in the service? You ignored my challenge of putting coin in Paypal to back up with proof your claims you slammed me with? the "weirdest" person one was the killer Charlie! That one really hurt! What did you miss about my letter Friday morning about a family incident occupying my time and mind and heart. Do you not read e-mails and take any of them to heart or are you the only person you feel tells the truth about anything? You enjoy talking to someone you have these feelings about??? I doubt that very much sir.

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Posted By: Charlie

I am sorry if you are having personal problems. It puts baseball cards into perspective.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

I told you two days ago there was a death in the family. try explaining that to children and dealing with it for a week or so.


by your own words this is "your life"!
that sounds pretty important. As I stated prior:

"money does not change people it exposes them!"

I sent you scans just now of a painting I restored from begining to end.

should I go into business as a card dealer?

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Posted By: Charlie

Brian,

I did not receive your email?

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

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From: CD [cardknowledge@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:38 PM
To: 'WWW.MANONTHEROCK.COM'
Subject: RE: Bidding Begins Friday October 20th



I cant call now. Putting out a huge fire with family death and my daughter is using my cell phone and will not answer from numbers she does not recognize as instructed.



Whatcha need? I don’t have a home phone Charlie my wife got rid of that about four years ago. that is my cell and you can leave a message or just e-mail me whatever but I cant return anyone’s calls now.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

how to airbrush???

or

how to do this?
http://physics.bu.edu/~pradeep/hacking.htm

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Posted By: Charlie

Brian,

We can talk tomorrow. I am very sorry to hear about the death in the family.

Charlie

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Posted By: jay behrens

Josh, I have not owned a screwdown holder since I returned to the hobby 5 years ago. Even I got out in 1991, the only screwdowns I owned were ones with recesses so that there was no pressure being put on the card. I use semi-rigid top loaders for raw cards and cards that get sent to SGC go into rigid top laoders.

I can only think of one reason why anyone would take the time to put a card in a screwdown before putting into a semi rigid holder for sending it to a grading sompany . That reason would be to try and press the card some in order to try and minimize any wrinkles/creases. Guess I'm just lazy, but putting a card into a screwdown and then taking it out is a lot of wasted time unless it's serving some purpose. If it isn't to try and press the card and smooth it out, I'd love to hear why it's being done then. Otherwise, it's a lot of effort for no apparent reason.

Jay- the only octagon I fought was a stop sign I beat up while drunk

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

about the blankets and the Matty. I will be gone all day tomorrow from 8.30am to dawn with family matters. You get a break from me.

weird is good. I claim insanity at trials and try to choke myself out and knee bar myself as well.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

GAI. Does anyone there know anything about card grading? With that degree of back damage and that Matty still draws a 2.5? I've seen so many GAI cards that are ridiculously overgraded. Here is my favorite from my collection--two nice big peels on the front and it still rated fair:



Now compare that with this SGC fair Tinker:

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Posted By: jay behrens

It's true that GAI has gained a reputation for overgrading cards, but their cards do not realize the same prices for the same grades that an SGC or PSA card does.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: BcDaniels

you read through all this ****?