*Received Cards Back Scammer Alert(Do not accept payments from or ship to this buyer)

[Sean1125]

This guy bought two cards off my website. Verified he received shipment, then started a credit card company chargeback claiming he did not authorize the payments (even after an e-mail string where I ask him if he received it and he said he did).

Email: trippleblack1@gmail.com
Tel: 916626xxxx

Billing address
Eddie Morrill
xxxx Ruess Rd
Ripon, California 95366

Shipping address
Eddie Morrill Jr.
xxxx Lotus ave
Sacramento, California 95822

[pencil1974]

Sorry to hear that Sean, that sucks!

[ATP]

Thanks for the heads up Sean. Hope you are able to work through it.

[Sean1125]

There are the two cards... So keep an eye out please!

[bozzio37]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOLAN-RYAN-1...item258d255fc9

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1976-Dennis-...item258d0a39d7

[ullmandds]

interesting...2 different sellers at that? or 1 with multiple personality disorder?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

interesting...2 different sellers at that? or 1 with multiple personality disorder?

one in minnesota and the other in california

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by t206hound

one in minnesota and the other in california

The California one is the scammer. The Minnesota guy bought it from him (sold at auction for $300 when he paid me $400)

[ullmandds]

im in mn if there's anything I can do to help

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

im in mn if there's anything I can do to help

Show up to his door with a bat

[ullmandds]

it sounds like i'd be bludgeoning an innocent bystander?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

it sounds like i'd be bludgeoning an innocent bystander?

I'm not okay with that!! I sent him a message on e-bay.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

What a d-bag.

[drcy]

If your story is accurate, the cards are stolen, aka hot. It's illegal to knowingly sell items you know are stolen, even if you bought them innocently. The cards would have to be returned to you, and the second buyer would be entitled to a refund from the seller he bought the card from. If the second person has been informed the card is stolen, he should be aware that he himself would be breaking the law by reselling it.

I just wrote an article on this very subject:

The Importance of Provenance in Collecting

[JasonD08]

Call the local prosecutor and detective in that town he lives in. They can try to scare him. If that does not work a PI can help but may be more than what the cards are worth. If he doesn't break you are up a creek. I dealt with this years ago on a PSA 32 caramel Ruth and PSA 7 33 goudey Gehrig. It took me 7 months and I did ALL the work to track him down even with FBI involved. Taking CC nowadays is risky. Good luck.

Jason

[drcy]

If I was the owner and they were indeed stolen, I would post the serial numbers on the PSA board, state that the cards were stolen and anyone buying and selling them is dealing in stolen goods. The only legal thing to do is to return the cards to the rightful owner. It sucks if someone unknowingly bought something that was stolen, but that's the way it goes-- that person's legal recourse is to get a refund from the person he bought it from because that sale wasn't legal.

[Kenny Cole]

I would contact the FBI's internet fraud unit. They once helped me with a scammer.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by drcy

If I was the owner and they were indeed stolen, I would post the serial numbers on the PSA board, state that the cards were stolen and anyone buying and selling them is dealing in stolen goods. The only legal thing to do is to return the cards to the rightful owner. It sucks if someone unknowingly bought something that was stolen, but that's the way it goes-- that person's legal recourse is to get a refund from the person he bought it from because that sale wasn't legal.

I am banned on the PSA boards.

[Maddog]

You might also want to contact the US Post Office Inspector General's Office.
Since these are items of stolen property and the Postal Service was used to facilitate this, there might be a case for mail fraud.

[bigfanNY]

I feel your pain I once took a paypal payment for a card and when the person reported his card stolen the same thing happened to me Funds were frozen by paypal. I was lucky that guy was up and up and contacted his credit card and paypal and told them that this transaction was up and up so after about 3 months I got paid. But I was very surprised to know that by him funding his paypal with a credit card in the eyes of paypal I was taking a credit card payment. And I was really shocked by how quickly Paypal stepped out of the way and let me deal with the heat and offered me no help and my 3% bought me no protection. Scary world. Postal inspectors should help and hope it works out.
Jonathan

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by drcy

If your story is accurate, the cards are stolen, aka hot. It's illegal to knowingly sell items you know are stolen, even if you bought them innocently. The cards would have to be returned to you, and the second buyer would be entitled to a refund from the seller he bought the card from. If the second person has been informed the card is stolen, he should be aware that he himself would be breaking the law by reselling it.

I just wrote an article on this very subject:

The Importance of Provenance in Collecting

I am not familiar with the federal law on the issue but I do not that different states treat this issue differently.

[Sean1125]

I wanted to update this. The seller who purchased the stolen cards RETURNED them to me - there are still honest sellers out there folks.

Sean

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

That's good to hear.

[Rich Klein]

Sean how did you get banned from the PSA boards?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Sean how did you get banned from the PSA boards?

I insulted 4sharp.

[Rich Klein]

Understood totally

[Eric72]

So...insult a particular member on CU and you get the boot. Reading this makes me that much more appreciative of Leon and Net54. Thanks to all for making this site so great.

Best regards,

Eric

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Eric72

So...insult a particular member on CU and you get the boot. Reading this makes me that much more appreciative of Leon and Net54. Thanks to all for making this site so great.

Best regards,

Eric

He didn't insult just a member, he insulted submitter numero uno (or close to it).

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He didn't insult just a member, he insulted submitter numero uno (or close to it).

That guy sounds like a bitch. "Someone insulted me so ban them." Grow a pair.

[Exhibitman]

The civil laws on this vary by state. First you have to define the nature of the theft. You weren't held up at gunpoint for the cards, you were tricked out of them. In your case it was a criminal fraud--you parted with the items willingly but under false pretenses. There may also be a wire fraud and a mail fraud involved. Whether you can recover the cards is entirely dependent on which state the purchaser is in. I had a case like this a few years ago. In CA, a seller who parts with an item under false pretenses retains title to the item and the person who received the item cannot transfer good title to an innocent purchaser. You could sue the innocent person and get your goods back. In TX at the time, the law allowed a recipient of goods taken under false pretenses to transfer good title to an innocent purchaser.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

That guy sounds like a bitch. "Someone insulted me so ban them." Grow a pair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgq9wn0Fv1g

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The civil laws on this vary by state. First you have to define the nature of the theft. You weren't held up at gunpoint for the cards, you were tricked out of them. In your case it was a criminal fraud--you parted with the items willingly but under false pretenses. There may also be a wire fraud and a mail fraud involved. Whether you can recover the cards is entirely dependent on which state the purchaser is in. I had a case like this a few years ago. In CA, a seller who parts with an item under false pretenses retains title to the item and the person who received the item cannot transfer good title to an innocent purchaser. You could sue the innocent person and get your goods back. In TX at the time, the law allowed a recipient of goods taken under false pretenses to transfer good title to an innocent purchaser.

The officer said he wasn't sure if it was fraud or theft so he just filed grand theft. The lady, luckily enough, was honest and when alerted to the situation sent me the cards back.

[pencil1974]

Glad it worked out Sean!

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The civil laws on this vary by state. First you have to define the nature of the theft. You weren't held up at gunpoint for the cards, you were tricked out of them. In your case it was a criminal fraud--you parted with the items willingly but under false pretenses. There may also be a wire fraud and a mail fraud involved. Whether you can recover the cards is entirely dependent on which state the purchaser is in. I had a case like this a few years ago. In CA, a seller who parts with an item under false pretenses retains title to the item and the person who received the item cannot transfer good title to an innocent purchaser. You could sue the innocent person and get your goods back. In TX at the time, the law allowed a recipient of goods taken under false pretenses to transfer good title to an innocent purchaser.

In Louisiana there are circumstances where you may have to buy the item from the innocent purchaser.