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Old 05-11-2019, 09:05 PM
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I ask this question because for example in regards to HOF players, most of this generation that collects meaning the younger collectors, know and collect mike trout, ronald acuna jr , albert pujols, bryce harper, yadier molina, justin verlander, etc but some dont even know who hank aaron, willie mays or nolan ryan are! (true story) of course we all do, but the new generation can care less about a booby doerr autograph or a bob feller autograph or a luis aparicio autograph, they want a trout or harper autograph! so do you think for those that collect HOF autographs there will be much of a market for them in the future as there seems to be less and less of the younger collects that collect them like we do. what do you think?
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Old 05-11-2019, 09:12 PM
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I ask this question because for example in regards to HOF players, most of this generation that collects meaning the younger collectors, know and collect mike trout, ronald acuna jr , albert pujols, bryce harper, yadier molina, justin verlander, etc but some dont even know who hank aaron, willie mays or nolan ryan are! (true story) of course we all do, but the new generation can care less about a booby doerr autograph or a bob feller autograph or a luis aparicio autograph, they want a trout or harper autograph! so do you think for those that collect HOF autographs there will be much of a market for them in the future as there seems to be less and less of the younger collects that collect them like we do. what do you think?
When I was a young collector in the 90's I only cared about Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. As I got older and matured I of course still cared about those players but grew to have an appreciation for the Ruth's, Mays, Aaron's, Koufax's etc.
I think thats the way it will always be.
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:32 PM
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"Booby" is weeping in his grave right now...

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Old 05-12-2019, 07:40 AM
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I have also posed the same question. The non HOFers will lose interest. I do not think there wil be many 1954 Bowman set collectors for example. In general collecting is down. How many of the young folks collect stamps and coins? There will be some HOF completist collectors but overall numbers may drop. mantle, dimaggio, jackie, willie, babe etc will hold strong. Not sure about Doerr, Marquard, Rousch etc. Only time will tell
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:27 AM
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It's the same thing for Hollywood autographs or football autographs - you can get a Jim Brown for cheap, arguably the greatest football player ever. But Tom Brady is expensive. Point is that it's not just baseball, or sports only. It seems to be a progressive shift of generations.

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Old 05-13-2019, 08:59 PM
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I think autographs as a hobby will remain popular, and even obscure ones can retain interest if they are displayed well.

A 3x5 in an authentication slab is ok, but that same signature, framed and matted with a period photo can be beautiful and interesting.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:05 PM
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I've tried to come up with some sort of logic on this. There are things that one can point to such as players who you saw live, players your parents saw and may have spoken about fondly etc, but can't really figure it out. I know some have looked at trends for other hobbies such as stamp and coin collecting (both of which I know almost no one who has any interest in... though that just be the people I know).

Obviously, I think time will tell. I do find that as people get older many collectors of newer cards or items start to appreciate the older stuff.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:32 PM
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I think the values of autographs will collapse except for stuff with rock solid provenances in the near future. The forgery problem is going to be harder to get around once AI machines that can duplicate handwriting like this one become cheap enough for everyone to own:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZH7SS_lfQ
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:20 AM
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I think the values of autographs will collapse except for stuff with rock solid provenances in the near future. The forgery problem is going to be harder to get around once AI machines that can duplicate handwriting like this one become cheap enough for everyone to own:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZH7SS_lfQ
Similar machine signed fakes are already in play. It's really just a computer driven version of an Autopen. They are detectable if you know what to look for.
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:09 AM
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I'm not too concerned about future demand for early vintage autographs. Those signatures are works of art. Any sports fan can easily recognize the signature and appreciate the history behind it.

Autographs of current day athletes are another story. These signatures are rarely more than a quick scribble. I don't see the same mass appeal for these.

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Old 05-14-2019, 06:20 PM
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I'm not too concerned about future demand for early vintage autographs. Those signatures are works of art. Any sports fan can easily recognize the signature and appreciate the history behind it.

Autographs of current day athletes are another story. These signatures are rarely more than a quick scribble. I don't see the same mass appeal for these.
I'm not sure that the reason people buy autographs is for the aesthetics of the signature (though I am sure some do). I think the bigger issue with modern items is that the players sign insane amounts of items, and everything remotely connected to each player or game is saved, so finding things that are legitimately rare will be tough in my opinion.
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Old 05-14-2019, 07:01 PM
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I think signed cards will appreciate more. As it is now simple to find any card on Ebay, the hunt for a tougher challenge presents itself.


Also, errors and variation, much like the coin market, will appreciate more.


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Old 05-14-2019, 07:23 PM
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Similar machine signed fakes are already in play. It's really just a computer driven version of an Autopen. They are detectable if you know what to look for.
Yes, but it won't be long before developers figure out what autograph experts look for and figure out a way of spoofing that too.

I mean, if its a vintage Ty Cobb signed in ink 100 years ago that would be an obvious difficulty. But for contemporary players using contemporary ink on contemporary material? That is going to be easy.
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Old 05-15-2019, 06:03 PM
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Thank you all for your responses, I appreciate them as as you bring up some very good points. Before reading these this thread, I was leaning toward collecting HOF factory certified autographs because companies like PSA are just one big scandal away from making all those slabbed autographs worthless! and i thought i would be safe with lets say topps certified autographs because after all Topps is Topps! if you cant trust Topps who can you trust in our hobby, was my thinking and logic. my thought is the day that the hobby cant trust a company like Topps is the day that i feel the hobby will no longer be.(who in their right mind would want to collect then) PSA is just an "opinion" service and if Topps cant be trusted, why collect autographs?
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Thank you all for your responses, I appreciate them as as you bring up some very good points. Before reading these this thread, I was leaning toward collecting HOF factory certified autographs because companies like PSA are just one big scandal away from making all those slabbed autographs worthless! and i thought i would be safe with lets say topps certified autographs because after all Topps is Topps! if you cant trust Topps who can you trust in our hobby, was my thinking and logic. my thought is the day that the hobby cant trust a company like Topps is the day that i feel the hobby will no longer be.(who in their right mind would want to collect then) PSA is just an "opinion" service and if Topps cant be trusted, why collect autographs?
Wow, very sad! Sorry you feel that way
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:07 PM
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It is sad that the autograph hobby if filled with so many fakes (I read online that an estimated 75% of all autographs in our hobby are fake) how can I enjoy what I collect when all it takes is one bad scandal and everything touched by PSA or Beckett would be worthless? And now from what Iím reading we canít even trust companies like Topps or Upper Deck in regards to autographs being real. Either players having their friends and girlfriends signing their autographs, to companies not actually witnessing players signing (sending players stacks of cards or sticker sheets to sign) to now crooks using high speed printers to print out autographed cards with factory authentication stamps on them. Is anyone else worried about the direction autograph authentication is going in our hobby?
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:46 AM
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It is sad that the autograph hobby if filled with so many fakes (I read online that an estimated 75% of all autographs in our hobby are fake) how can I enjoy what I collect when all it takes is one bad scandal and everything touched by PSA or Beckett would be worthless? And now from what Iím reading we canít even trust companies like Topps or Upper Deck in regards to autographs being real. Either players having their friends and girlfriends signing their autographs, to companies not actually witnessing players signing (sending players stacks of cards or sticker sheets to sign) to now crooks using high speed printers to print out autographed cards with factory authentication stamps on them. Is anyone else worried about the direction autograph authentication is going in our hobby?
If PSA or JSA or Beckett or ABC or whomever get rocked by scandal all you have to do to stuff they've "touched" is crack the slabs. It's not hard and takes less than a minute generally. If it's stickered just remove that if you choose, some are harder than others but they all come off.

You don't really seem like you are gung ho on collecting autographs, so don't. It's not everyone's cup of tea and that's perfectly fine.

Find something you enjoy and that doesn't worry you. Collecting is much more fun that way.

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As it is, PSA encases trimmed cards and give their top submitter's preferential treatment for grades and letting them flip cases like they flip hamburgers at Tommies.

E bay sells & PROMOTES fake autographs. Their call center is in the Philippines. What do you think the future is?

I think a nice little recession and PSA turning into GAI will take care of everything.

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If PSA or JSA or Beckett or ABC or whomever get rocked by scandal all you have to do to stuff they've "touched" is crack the slabs. It's not hard and takes less than a minute generally. If it's stickered just remove that if you choose, some are harder than others but they all come off.

You don't really seem like you are gung ho on collecting autographs, so don't. It's not everyone's cup of tea and that's perfectly fine.

Find something you enjoy and that doesn't worry you. Collecting is much more fun that way.

Good luck,

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enjoy cracking the slabs that hold all your trimmed cards...LOL
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enjoy cracking the slabs that hold all your trimmed cards...LOL
I won't lose any sleep over it. It's a hobby and this stuff is not the Magna Carta. People take this hobby way too seriously.
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