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Old 03-19-2007, 04:31 PM
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Default Piedmont Factory 42 Conspiracy... T205 vs T206

Posted By: Russ Bright

PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON THIS SUBJECT, POST, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH KNOWN

So... doing research this past couple weeks. We all do research. Josh Levine has Been studying T205 Back scarcity for years. I searched and while there have been a few threads in the past couple YEARS, there is very little info on T205 and this back.

I have spoken with a few of the experts on the board here about the back scarcity. and the general consensus is that is is rarer than Cycle, but not as rare as Broadleaf... worth more? Matter of opinion. I myself own over 200 T205's and didn't own one. I hadn't even SEEN one until 2 weeks ago on Ebay when they started cropping up everywhere.

There have been over 10 T205's with the Piedmont Factory 42 back listed in the past 2 weeks...
and the strange thing is, I'm noticing a pattern... Some of the SP's seem to ONLY come with Piedmont 42 backs

Jeff Sweeney - I have seen 5 in the past week with the Piedmont 42 back -if you have anything different, PLEASE scan and post, I don't think they had any Fact 25's
here's e-bay proof (lol, that's always believable)

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-Gold-Border-Sweeney-Yankees-GOOD_W0QQitemZ290091963237QQcategoryZ86841QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item29009196323 7
http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-Ed-Sweeney-Piedmont-Yankees-Low-Pop-VG_W0QQitemZ160090763301QQcategoryZ86841QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160090763301
http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-SP-Jeff-Sweeney-PSA-5-6760_W0QQitemZ190092756482QQcategoryZ31718QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item19009275648 2

Kirby White - haven't seen any Fact 25's either (Please prove me wrong with a scan)

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-GOLD-BORDER-KIRB-WHITE-FACTORY-42-PSA-4-VG-EX_W0QQitemZ230100899685QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230100899685
http://cgi.ebay.com/Three-T205s-Snodgrass-Street-White-Piedmont-No-RES_W0QQitemZ180095053998QQcategoryZ86841QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180095053998
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140084623170




OK, my question is... In T206 these cards command a premium of 6 times because of back scarcity.

Do T205's even demand a premium? If most of the cards seen with Factory 42 backs are SP anyways, is the premium added in? Opinions? Should I keep buying them for when people decide that there IS a premium?

any help is greatly appreciated!

thanks!
Russ

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Old 03-19-2007, 04:32 PM
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Posted By: barrysloate

T206 Piedmont factory 42's are tough cards...I don't believe the same is true for T205.

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Old 03-19-2007, 05:02 PM
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Posted By: Joey Settle

Most of the T205's and T206's listed in the past week or so came from a large group of tobacco cards that were discovered in South Carolina almost 2 years ago. Almost all of the T205 and T206 cards were Piedmonts and of those, 90% were of the Fact. 42 variety. I would say there were about 125 T205's in the group and 100 or so T206's. The remainder of the group consisted of approximately 50 T209-1's and 250 or so T209 photo series. There were 2 of the T209 Thompson cards. A local collector consigned the cards he purchased from the group to be sold on eBay by the dealer who originally found them. It was really intersting to see the cards brought in a Flor de Franklin cigar box they had called home for the last 95 years or so. There was a funny part to the story though. The guy who had the cards didn't seem to care about the numerous Cobbs and Mathewsons in the box. He was more impressed that he thought he had Billy Martin's rookie card, the T209-1 Martin from Spartanburg. Here are a few of my T209's from that find including his prized possesion, "Billy" Martin's RC.

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Old 03-19-2007, 10:24 PM
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Posted By: Mike Taylor

It's funny - I was going to ask the same question about the connection between the T-205 short prints and the Piedmont Factory 42 back, but it looks like I was beaten to it. In the short time I have been actively collecting the set I have observed the same thing. I have three of the SPs and two of them have F42 backs. I think it would be interesting to see some data on the SPs and what back they are. Here's what I have in my modest collection so far:

Fisher - Hassan F30
Sweeney - Piedmont F42
Kirb White - Piedmont F42

Let's see what we can all come up with!

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Old 03-20-2007, 01:53 AM
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Posted By: Marc

I have owned several hundred T205's. Of those, there are 4 Piedmont 42's. Three are Kirb White and one is G.C. Ferguson. I have often wondered the same thing about the short prints as all of the Kirb White and most of the Sweeney cards I have ever seen are Piedmont 42 (though strangely enough, the Sweeney I currently own is a Piedmont 25). I always figured it was the same case with many short prints in the T207 set that only are known with rarer backs/factories. Different factories maybe had only one print run of certain cards hence causing them to be short prints.

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Old 03-20-2007, 01:18 PM
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Posted By: Russ Bright

Marc, if you can post a scan of the Sweeney Fact25 it would be greatly appreciated!

Anyone else? These threads always seem to get ignored, and I think that if there was more input we might get a good answer. I know there are a lot of T205 collectors out there!

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Old 03-20-2007, 03:06 PM
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Posted By: Marc

Here is the scan of the Sweeney card. The ink on the back of the card is a bit light and difficult to see but it is indeed a Factory 25. I agree that these threads are often ignored, as is the T205 set in general relative to some of the other great sets. Personally it is my favorite pre-war set and I know many others who feel the same. Yet it is still often difficult to find much in-depth info and discussions about issues such as this.



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Old 03-20-2007, 05:57 PM
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Posted By: Brian Weisner


I have the following T206's with Fact 42 Piedmont backs:
Devlin
Phillippe
Oakes
McIntire
Barger Partial B
Scanlon

Be well Brian

PS T206's with 42's are much tougher than T205's

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Posted By: Martin Neal

Hi Russ,

The Sweeney I have is a Hassan 30 as are most of my SPs. I used to own a Piedmont 25 Rowan, still have a scan if you need it.

Piedmont 42s
Oakes
Mcgraw

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Thank you for the interesting information of that South Carolina find.
Being that I'm a T209 type II Contentnea indentured servant, I do remember that particular eBay sale.
I picked up a few T209's from that dealer.
Off hand, I can't remember his name, but I do remember that it was a pleasure dealing with that gentleman.
The Martin story is a kicker, and that's a good looking card that you have of him. ... those type II photos don't look bad either.
Are you collecting the set?

Have fun, and enjoy the card ride.
Joe P.

Edited to cast my vote with Marc.
I also feel that the T205 set, is the better looking of the pre war tobacco sets.

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