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Old 07-14-2019, 11:46 AM
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I purchased several 1960s hockey sets nearly 30 years ago and they have sat untouched since then. I’ve been sending some key cards to PSA recently and the Orr Rookie (and also a 1962 Topps Bobby Hull) came back “Altered”. There is no logical reason for the card to have been altered as I bought it before TPG even existed. I recall reading that some hockey cards in the 60s that came in vending boxes often did not come in consistent sizes. Has anyone else experienced any issues with this or have any insight for me?
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Old 07-14-2019, 02:34 PM
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I purchased several 1960s hockey sets nearly 30 years ago and they have sat untouched since then. I’ve been sending some key cards to PSA recently and the Orr Rookie (and also a 1962 Topps Bobby Hull) came back “Altered”. There is no logical reason for the card to have been altered as I bought it before TPG even existed. I recall reading that some hockey cards in the 60s that came in vending boxes often did not come in consistent sizes. Has anyone else experienced any issues with this or have any insight for me?
How short are the cards?

Generally speaking, I think this is probably a bad time to get expensive material graded, they are probably kicking a lot of stuff.
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Old 07-14-2019, 02:34 PM
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I purchased several 1960s hockey sets nearly 30 years ago and they have sat untouched since then. I’ve been sending some key cards to PSA recently and the Orr Rookie (and also a 1962 Topps Bobby Hull) came back “Altered”. There is no logical reason for the card to have been altered as I bought it before TPG even existed. I recall reading that some hockey cards in the 60s that came in vending boxes often did not come in consistent sizes. Has anyone else experienced any issues with this or have any insight for me?
Did they elaborate on what was actually "Altered"? Personally, when thinking back that far, I would assume trimmed over altered but maybe that is what they mean without actually saying it?

Seems odd your 2 highest valued cards got that designation? I have also heard about different sizes right from the factory but you need more experienced folks to tell you more about that.

I decided to "trim" these back in the day as I assume I was unhappy with how the corners got dinged?
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Old 07-14-2019, 02:55 PM
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Yup, I recently saw a complete 66 set from vending come back with an “Altered” Orr.
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Can never seem to get pics to load but no obvious reasons it would be trimmed. The flip says “altered”. Not in the market to sell so I guess I put it away for a couple years before figuring out what to do. Several cards came back Ok including 57 Howe, 67 Orr, 58 Howe (although they graded them pretty conservatively). I suppose I should send another 66 Topps hockey card in and see what happens. Were hockey cards distributed in both packs and wax through the 60s? Is there any difference in dimensions between the two?

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Old 07-14-2019, 11:59 PM
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Can never seem to get pics to load but no obvious reasons it would be trimmed. The flip says “altered”. Not in the market to sell so I guess I put it away for a couple years before figuring out what to do. Several cards came back Ok including 57 Howe, 67 Orr, 58 Howe (although they graded them pretty conservatively). I suppose I should send another 66 Topps hockey card in and see what happens. Were hockey cards distributed in both packs and wax through the 60s? Is there any difference in dimensions between the two?

If you want some pics posted send them to me and I'll post them for you.
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Personally, I'd like to see them.
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Did they elaborate on what was actually "Altered"? Personally, when thinking back that far, I would assume trimmed over altered but maybe that is what they mean without actually saying it?
If PSA thought his Orr rookie was trimmed, then you would see EVID TRIM on the label. And if the card was under-sized, then you would see MINSIZERQ.

You should just send it back to them for encapsulation. However, I would wait for a while because the Gary Moser scandal has freaked the graders out and they are probably rejecting more cards now.
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If PSA thought his Orr rookie was trimmed, then you would see EVID TRIM on the label. And if the card was under-sized, then you would see MINSIZERQ.

You should just send it back to them for encapsulation. However, I would wait for a while because the Gary Moser scandal has freaked the graders out and they are probably rejecting more cards now.
I thought the same but I also assumed, if they gave the "Altered" designation, they would elaborate on it?

Here is his card.

Looks very nice to me!
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:04 PM
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Why did he get PSA to encapsulate it? On top of that he covers the serial number - LOL!
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I purchased several 1960s hockey sets nearly 30 years ago and they have sat untouched since then. I’ve been sending some key cards to PSA recently and the Orr Rookie (and also a 1962 Topps Bobby Hull) came back “Altered”. There is no logical reason for the card to have been altered as I bought it before TPG even existed. I recall reading that some hockey cards in the 60s that came in vending boxes often did not come in consistent sizes. Has anyone else experienced any issues with this or have any insight for me?
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Why is there so much space in the holder?
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Why is there so much space in the holder?
It looks like PSA just put it in an over-sized holder.
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Why did he get PSA to encapsulate it? On top of that he covers the serial number - LOL!
He sent the pic to me with the cert partially covered (ghosting) so I covered in further as I assumed that is what he wanted?

I don't understand your LOL? I see many cover/obscure the cert number of their cards when posting pics of them so I assume it is for a good reason?
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He sent the pic to me with the cert partially covered (ghosting) so I covered in further as I assumed that is what he wanted?

I don't understand your LOL? I see many cover/obscure the cert number of their cards when posting pics of them so I assume it is for a good reason?
People cover cert numbers because they don't want fraudsters stealing them. Why would somebody want to steal a cert number of an altered card? That's why I put LOL in my comment.
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Old 07-24-2019, 11:58 AM
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People cover cert numbers because they don't want fraudsters stealing them. Why would somebody want to steal a cert number of an altered card? That's why I put LOL in my comment.
Wasn't aware of that. Figured people covered them for personal information reasons only.

Thanks for the clarification.
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People cover cert numbers because they don't want fraudsters stealing them. Why would somebody want to steal a cert number of an altered card? That's why I put LOL in my comment.
Fraudsters can steal the picture with a cert number which would come up as legit on PSA.com and post it on ebay, etsy, FB, Letgo etc and sell something they don't have....
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