Local John Stockton Mask Controversy

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This has been explained to him repeatedly and he just keeps responding with the same highly misleading raw numbers. I think he truly doesn't understand it.

I will say that I have at least learned a bit from this thread. A takeaway from you is that it may have been a bad idea or just simply wrong to call it a vaccine in the first place.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I will say that I have at least learned a bit from this thread. A takeaway from you is that it may have been a bad idea or just simply wrong to call it a vaccine in the first place.

I believe someone else made that point and I just followed up on it.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Carter08

You’ve spent enough time on this that i assume you know those numbers don’t support your argument. In a hypothetical population of 1000 if 900 are vaccinated and 100 are unvaccinated and then 26 vaccinated people and 25 unvaccinated people wind up on the ICU, please get vaccinated.

And you missed the point in my post.
If the vaccines worked, or if they actually had a 95% efficacy rating like we were told they did in the beginning, we likely wouldn't be having this convo.
But since the vast majority know, or ought to know by now, that was a lie, anyone who still thinks or believes that these vaccines work is deluded and those that still take them, imo, are playing Russian Roulette like I stated.

The simple fact here, without even talking about the thousands and thousands of breakthrough cases, is these vaccines are crap just like Pfizer's CEO stated himself.

If people are into playing Russian Roulette, that is their choice, but knowing how many lies have been told to date, among other things, I know my chances of contracting covid and getting severely sick are greatly increased with the vaccines, especially the boosters, than what my own natural immunity is capable of handling.
The recovery rate from covid is 99%+. It boggles my mind why so many are still lining up for this vaccine, and especially the booster, after all we've seen to date about them.
People are afraid because they've been told to be afraid. It's been one of the greatest experiments in civil obedience and brainwashing that I've ever seen.

[dgo71]

I lived in the DC area where they ran TV ads regularly to advocate stopping at red lights. The fact that it's advertised is more a statement about the group the ads are targeting, not whether it works or not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Carter, note the technique of just repeating the same talking points/slogans as though they were facts and responding to the facts by declaring them lies. It's so textbook. Closed loop thinking. The Bible is true because it says so in the Bible. Anyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed. If you reason like this you can be right 100 percent of the time and probably even delude yourself into thinking so.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Carter, note the technique of just repeating the same talking points/slogans as though they were facts and responding to the facts by declaring them lies. It's so textbook. Closed loop thinking. The Bible is true because it says so in the Bible.

Did you notice how the Canadian leapfrogged over my post? Could it be that the facts disprove his contentions?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Did you notice how the Canadian leapfrogged over my post? Could it be that the facts disprove his contentions?

It doesn't matter, any facts he doesn't like, no matter who or what the source, no matter how compelling and unassailable, he just declares to be lies and then ups the ante with some conspiratorial rhetoric and sloganeering.

These techniques are very common actually, by no means limited to this issue. Seen the playbook many times.

[ibuysportsephemera]

I've posted this before...My daughter is a pharmacist and works in the emergency room of a hospital in Upstate New York. 80% of the patients that are in the hospital ICU are not vaccinated. 75 to 80% of the people that are dying are not vaccinated. Our County Executive (a Republican) does a facebook video every Tuesday and Thursday on the covid cases in the County. With consistency 75 to 80% of the people who are dying from Covid are not vaccinated and the vaccinated people that are dying are almost all older than 70.

I know 2 people personally (both in their 40's) that died of Covid recently....both were not vaccinated. They both spent almost a month in the emergency room on a ventilator...a miserable way to spend the last 4 weeks of your life. Their family members are fine.

I'll continue to listen to facts...not the gibberish misinformation that is being put out on the internet. I really wonder about the intelligence of people trying to win an argument on a sports forum with cut and paste articles that fit their own agenda and beliefs. Do you really think you are changing anyone's mind?

Jeff G.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I've posted this before...My daughter is a pharmacist and works in the emergency room of a hospital in Upstate New York. 80% of the patients that are in the hospital ICU are not vaccinated. 75 to 80% of the people that are dying are not vaccinated. Our County Executive (a Republican) does a facebook video every Tuesday and Thursday on the covid cases in the County. With consistency 75 to 80% of the people who are dying from Covid are not vaccinated and the vaccinated people that are dying are almost all older than 70.

I know 2 people personally (both in their 40's) that died of Covid recently....both were not vaccinated. They both spent almost a month in the emergency room on a ventilator...a miserable way to spend the last 4 weeks of your life. Their family members are fine.

I'll continue to listen to facts...not the gibberish misinformation that is being put out on the internet. I really wonder about the intelligence of people trying to win an argument on a sports forum with cut and paste articles that fit their own agenda and beliefs. Do you really think you are changing anyone's mind?

Jeff G.

Speaking of misinformation, remember early in the pandemic when these same type of people were vehemently insisting that 5G cell towers were the cause of COVID and that germ theory was nonsense? Are they still out there? Or did the vaccines give them a new place to pivot for their contrarian groupthink?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Carter, note the technique of just repeating the same talking points/slogans as though they were facts and responding to the facts by declaring them lies. It's so textbook. Closed loop thinking. The Bible is true because it says so in the Bible. Anyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed. If you reason like this you can be right 100 percent of the time and probably even delude yourself into thinking so.

Originally Posted by Michael B

Did you notice how the Canadian leapfrogged over my post? Could it be that the facts disprove his contentions?

You guys crack me up.

Covid cases and deaths and now greater post vaccine than what they were pre-vaccine.
Tremendous vaccines they are!
Did you hear about the variant, Ba.2 subvariant or something along those lines that just came out?
Quick, rush out and get your 4th booster that is the same as the first two shots then hide under your beds until it passes waiting for the next one to arrive.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

I know my chances of contracting covid and getting severely sick are greatly increased with the vaccines, especially the boosters, than what my own natural immunity is capable of handling. (

Can you please explain to me how you know this? Can you please post one legit source showing that your chances of getting covid increase when you get the vaccine? And I don't consider Tucker to be legit.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Can you please explain to me how you know this? Can you please post one legit source showing that your chances of getting covid increase when you get the vaccine? And I don't consider Tucker to be legit.

My wife went to private school with Tucker (and Billy Bush!). That school has completely distanced themselves from him and his verbal diarrhea.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Can you please explain to me how you know this? Can you please post one legit source showing that your chances of getting covid increase when you get the vaccine? And I don't consider Tucker to be legit.

Cases are higher than when vaccines started, therefore vaccines are the reason there are more cases. Simple logic for a simple mind, and an example of the most common logical fallacy on earth, post hoc ergo propter hoc. But it's an easy mantra to keep repeating when you don't really understand the facts or they don't agree with your preconceptions/agenda/whatever fringe or rogue doctor you're following.

The data (unless you think all of it is fake, as he apparently does) clearly shows that vaccines(therapeutics) dramatically reduce one's chance of serious illness and death compared to not being vaccinated. And that has held up for Omicron. Does every single doctor and scientist agree, no, but there isn't a single thing everyone agrees on, so that doesn't prove shit. Does it reduce your chances to zero, no, so if that is your yardstick (or not getting a measurable case at all), then sure one can say the vaccines don't work very well. But I think most people care less about having a cold than dying, just a guess.

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Can you please explain to me how you know this? Can you please post one legit source showing that your chances of getting covid increase when you get the vaccine? And I don't consider Tucker to be legit.

Can you please explain to me how someone who is fully vaxxed but ends up with covid anyways, who ends up in the hospital in the ICU then claims, if it wasn't for the vaccines it would have been a lot worse?
How does anyone know that?

Also, like what some now silenced, shunned and ridiculed doctor's and other medical professionals were saying about these shots and what it does to your natural immune system, especially after receiving the boosters, seems to now also be gaining some traction again. Imagine that.

Fauci has discussed this a number of times including in the video I recently posted. He mentions how vaccines can cause confusion within the natural immune system. It can be helpful as the body wants to focus on a different version of the virus where the vaccine generated response goes after the new variant but can also be bad.

Very early on in the White House briefings when the mRNA vaccines were first being mentioned he stated how the biggest fear is a vaccine that creates a hyper immune response. There are several medical phrases for this.

The fact is we have given a vaccine that has little to long term tests on humans to billions of people worldwide. Fauci said in that same video I posted it would take a decade or more to develop and test the mRNA technology with massive funding. He stated this in October 2019.

The CBC and others are now claiming to avoid or wait getting a booster shot if you've had omicron. Why is that?
Why does anyone need a vax if they had the disease they were already infected with?

"If you got Omicron post-vaccination, medical experts advise not to rush out for a booster shot"
"The unprecedented surge of cases has led to cancelled surgeries, staffing shortages in the health-care system and record-breaking hospitalization rates — alongside plenty of less serious bouts of illness, including among those who've been fully vaccinated against COVID-19"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/omicr...ster-1.6312471
https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...quebecers-told

Were you aware that 2 FDA officials resigned because of Biden's plans to roll out booster shots against their wishes?
https://www.pennlive.com/nation-worl...ter-shots.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/u...ter-shots.html

People are scared half to death of a disease that they have a 99% chance of surviving. People are panicking and heading to the hospital if they have a runny nose, a headache, or think that is what they need to do. And people wonder why our hospitals might be over run!?!? Calls to 911 are over the top as well. It is complete insanity, or as the now shunned and ridiculed co-inventor of the MNRA vaccine said, it is mass formation psychosis.

Did you see what is going on over in Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world who had already rolled out a 4th booster sometime ago?
Think it's possible that it is the vaccines themselves that is causing this or do you and others still think the vaccines work?

"Average number of new infections reported in Israel each day reaches new high: Now reporting more than 75,600 daily. COVID-19 infections in Israel are at their peak — the highest daily average reported — now at 75,603 new infections reported each day"
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-c...tories/israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/daily-...l-time-record/

Anyways, there is no sense carrying with this as it seems some just want to insult and ridicule (not you) rather than look/read what I have posted, so with that, that's it for me in this thread. It's amazing and bewildering to me, that despite what I've posted and what we now know, that people still trust the system, their gov't and big pharma.

Stay well.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Can you please explain to me how someone who is fully vaxxed but ends up with covid anyways, who ends up in the hospital in the ICU then claims, if it wasn't for the vaccines it would have been a lot worse?
How does anyone know that?

Also, like what some now silenced, shunned and ridiculed doctor's and other medical professionals were saying about these shots and what it does to your natural immune system, especially after receiving the boosters, seems to now also be gaining some traction again. Imagine that.

Fauci has discussed this a number of times including in the video I recently posted. He mentions how vaccines can cause confusion within the natural immune system. It can be helpful as the body wants to focus on a different version of the virus where the vaccine generated response goes after the new variant but can also be bad.

Very early on in the White House briefings when the mRNA vaccines were first being mentioned he stated how the biggest fear is a vaccine that creates a hyper immune response. There are several medical phrases for this.

The fact is we have given a vaccine that has little to long term tests on humans to billions of people worldwide. Fauci said in that same video I posted it would take a decade or more to develop and test the mRNA technology with massive funding. He stated this in October 2019.

The CBC and others are now claiming to avoid or wait getting a booster shot if you've had omicron. Why is that?
Why does anyone need a vax if they had the disease they were already infected with?

"If you got Omicron post-vaccination, medical experts advise not to rush out for a booster shot"
"The unprecedented surge of cases has led to cancelled surgeries, staffing shortages in the health-care system and record-breaking hospitalization rates — alongside plenty of less serious bouts of illness, including among those who've been fully vaccinated against COVID-19"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/omicr...ster-1.6312471
https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...quebecers-told

Were you aware that 2 FDA officials resigned because of Biden's plans to roll out booster shots against their wishes?
https://www.pennlive.com/nation-worl...ter-shots.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/u...ter-shots.html

People are scared half to death of a disease that they have a 99% chance of surviving. People are panicking and heading to the hospital if they have a runny nose, a headache, or think that is what they need to do. And people wonder why our hospitals might be over run!?!? Calls to 911 are over the top as well. It is complete insanity, or as the now shunned and ridiculed co-inventor of the MNRA vaccine said, it is mass formation psychosis.

Did you see what is going on over in Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world who had already rolled out a 4th booster sometime ago?
Think it's possible that it is the vaccines themselves that is causing this or do you and others still think the vaccines work?

"Average number of new infections reported in Israel each day reaches new high: Now reporting more than 75,600 daily. COVID-19 infections in Israel are at their peak — the highest daily average reported — now at 75,603 new infections reported each day"
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-c...tories/israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/daily-...l-time-record/

Anyways, there is no sense carrying with this as it seems some just want to insult and ridicule (not you) rather than look/read what I have posted, so with that, that's it for me in this thread. It's amazing and bewildering to me, that despite what I've posted and what we now know, that people still trust the system, their gov't and big pharma.

Stay well.

To be honest, you pretty much lost me when you said how covid is a tool used by these liberal countries who are using lockdowns and vaccines to push the Great Reset. Liberal countries like Canada, USA, Australia, England, Germany, China, and Russia?? This makes no sense, sorry.

Oh, and you missed this in your "while we weren't watching" links, although you can be forgiven since you aren't in USA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ...ntial_election

[Peter_Spaeth]

For all its record number of cases, as of today Israel has recorded 237 total deaths for the month of January. And it's likely some of those are probably not "caused" by the virus. And there are less than 1000 patients hospitalized with the illness in the entire country. Again, some probably overcounted. At 75,000 cases PER DAY, that suggests to me those damn therapeutics are working remarkably well. Of course it would be wonderful if they prevented all deaths and hospitalizations, and even mild illness, but that probably was never realistic.