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Old 11-11-2019, 06:43 PM
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Default 1959 Topps -- New Variation?

First time starting a thread on Net54, so hopefully doing this right. A couple of questions:

1) I recently noticed a variation for card #44 Vito Valentinetti that doesn't seem to be listed along with the more well-known "optioned/traded" variations, or in the "Master Set" registry. Not super clear which is the more/less common version from a quick check on eBay, but one is missing the colon between his hometown location ("Home Bronx"), while the other does have the colon ("Home:Bronx").

2) Where is the best place to find a complete updated list of variations for the vintage Topps base sets 1952-1985?

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Old 11-11-2019, 06:59 PM
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Nice find, that’s a legitimate variation.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:19 PM
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Any idea which is the less common one?

And where to find a good overall list of Topps variations?

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Any idea which is the less common one?

And where to find a good overall list of Topps variations?
Looking at all of the copies on COMC, it looks like it’s roughly 50/50 with neither one rare.
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Nice find, I have never seen this listed before.
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It was probably the ole double print bugaboo. If two appeared on the same print sheet, one with and one without said colon, it would have led to a relatively even split of the two variations. Cool find!!
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Dick Gilkeson published a "book" that included Topps variations for the years you mentioned. I recently heard copies are still available, for a charge I think, and that it is being updated. Another poster here Richard ( brightair) maintains a very good list of Topps variations for much of that period and access to his site is free, I think. I am sure there is a link to it in the long variations thread in here, or maybe someone here has a link.

I know if you google "Richard Dingman Cards" you should get a link to his sites

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Thank you!
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Old 11-12-2019, 12:16 AM
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Genuine true variation, another one to add to the set. Thanks for sharing
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Nice Find; Even Dingman did not have that in his exhaustive 1950's variation list. I like this one and have broken them out in the COMC data base.

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So I have one with Bronx, New York. Is that the normal version?

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I would say the normal is the one with the colon, "Home:Bronx" since it's consistent with the rest of the set. The other would be the error/variation.
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Just checked the one in my set.
It has the comma also. So do the others around it. I didn't see a colon.

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The variation is the ( colon or absence of ( colon after HOME .
For example : 1) ( Home or 2) (Home)

Note: Nothing to do with comma !
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Nice Find; Even Dingman did not have that in his exhaustive 1950's variation list. I like this one and have broken them out in the COMC data base.

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Not to stray too far from our topic here, but could the COMC database be updated for the 1953 Topps Series 3 White/Black text variations as well? Long recognized in the catalogs, genuine variations instead of recurring print defects, seems like they belong segmented like the 1952 Black/Red's, the 56/59/60 stock variations etc. COMC has been a wonder for variation hunting
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I'll check on those and put that on my list to work on. Makes for a fun break from 1989 Donruss and 1989 Donruss Grand Slammers

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I'll check on those and put that on my list to work on. Makes for a fun break from 1989 Donruss and 1989 Donruss Grand Slammers

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Those 89 Grand Slammers are cool cards.

Any chance "newly listed" could be added to the search function? That is my only real complaint about COMC. I know I would go back to buying a lot more if that was a search option.
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You mean "newly uploaded" cards on the specific card page right?

I also think the 1934-36 Diamond Stars should be broken apart by copyright year/back color, Rich. ;-) There's a neverending list of variations that I could probably come up with...
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I'll check on those and put that on my list to work on. Makes for a fun break from 1989 Donruss and 1989 Donruss Grand Slammers

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Thank you sir! Separating the variations is a big help; easier to ID variations and the increasing fees on eBay are making me buy more and more from COMC. Love this site
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You mean "newly uploaded" cards on the specific card page right?

I also think the 1934-36 Diamond Stars should be broken apart by copyright year/back color, Rich. ;-) There's a neverending list of variations that I could probably come up with...
The specific term used is irrelevant to me. As an example when I search for a 1958 Eddie Mathews #440 card. When 75 of them show up I want to be able to find the one most recently "uploaded" without having to search through ALL 75 cards to find it. The way cards are listed overall is silly and unorganized but not being able to avoid looking through a ton of cards to find the newly listed ones has to reducing buyers like myself.
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It may seem silly, but the technical aspect is important so that their coders can properly program how to display the cards. Didn't mean to derail the thread, but this recommendation has been made repeatedly to their staff, but their management hasn't acted upon it. My guess is because of their bloated number of condition buckets, it is difficult for their coders to reprogram the way the site works.
On blowout, the user budler also makes the same recommendation. But despite the intent for COMC to hire new and better coders with their fee modification in January, they haven't seemed to have made much progress improving their site.
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You mean "newly uploaded" cards on the specific card page right?

I also think the 1934-36 Diamond Stars should be broken apart by copyright year/back color, Rich. ;-) There's a neverending list of variations that I could probably come up with...
Fine -- sure -- whatever -- Send me an email with those and I'll add to the never ending growing list of fun cards to switch out. Today, I had to do some emergency last minute research to close out the day and we figured out some 1934 German non-sports issues need to be double checked. That's on the list as well.

We have someone else attacking a bunch of more modern sets from his end with a long email for us internally so we're gong to keep at it, and at it. and at it..........


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1934-6 Diamond Stars completed on what was in COMC Database.

Back to 1953 Topps, and on and on.

Keep them coming.

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1934-6 Diamond Stars completed on what was in COMC Database.

Back to 1953 Topps, and on and on.

Keep them coming.

Rich
Keeping them coming! I know this must be a ton of work, so thank you for updating the database for all of us who care about tiny little differences.

1954 Bowman Football #49 Lynn Chandnois - true variation, "Chadnois or "Chandnois" spelling on back in name box, just like the more well known Tom Finnan #97 error. Finnan/Finnin is broken out on COMC, but not the lesser known Chandnois card.
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Keeping them coming! I know this must be a ton of work, so thank you for updating the database for all of us who care about tiny little differences.

1954 Bowman Football #49 Lynn Chandnois - true variation, "Chadnois or "Chandnois" spelling on back in name box, just like the more well known Tom Finnan #97 error. Finnan/Finnin is broken out on COMC, but not the lesser known Chandnois card.
Hate to tell you this but that variation on Chandnois is already broken out in the COMC data base So is one I forgot about HOFer Emlen Tunnell. I did find one more Chandnois which needed to be moved to the Error version however.

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