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The white border auto promo card was first distributed in June 1947 in NYC (and I believe outside of NYC, specifically Baltimore and DC - but I will confirm that in a few weeks once my schedule frees up and I have time to go through my last bit of research material).

While I am not sure an exact release date for either can be pinned down, Ted Z will likely be able to confirm whether or not the die-cut / rounded corners set of 44 was available prior to June 1947.

It should also be noted that, in addition to both the white facs. auto and the die cut set of 44 card, Jackie did have another card come out in 1947 - the Old Gold Kneeling in Dugout card. That card, however, was distributed in September, 1947.
Thanks Shaun! I'm anxiously awaiting input from Ted (or anyone for that matter) regarding his knowledge of the release of these two cards. Just trying to establish which was his absolute first card, if that is even possible.
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Hi Dan

I recall being in school in 1947 when us kids were comparing the BOND BREAD regular issue (48) cards. So, that timeframe could have been in the
Spring of 1947 (or the Fall of 1947).

As I have mentioned, the Jackie Robinson cards were never marketed in my town (Hillside, NJ); therefore, I cannot provide a timeline for this issue.


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Dan,

It might be worth exploring some old newspapers / publications from 1947 to determine whether it was the fall or spring of '47.

I do know that many of the '47 BB set of 44 pictures came from team photo packs from 1947, so it might be worth exploring when those were made available by the teams. I would believe that the cards were distributed after the team photo packs were, since the photo pack images appear to be the source of the BB photos.
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I recall being in school in 1947 when us kids were comparing the BOND BREAD regular issue (48) cards. So, that timeframe could have been in the
Spring of 1947 (or the Fall of 1947).

As I have mentioned, the Jackie Robinson cards were never marketed in my town (Hillside, NJ); therefore, I cannot provide a timeline for this issue.


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I can't believe you cant remember for sure Ted, it was only 70 years ago! So unless someone recalls or has evidence that these cards were issued prior to June, it sounds like maybe the only way to confirm which came first would be to determine the exact date that Jackie signed on with Bond Bread. If it was early in the year it would at least leave the window open for the regular issued set of 48 cards being released in Spring of 1947 (which might make sense with spring training and a new season approaching), whereas, if he signed on closer to mid-year it would exclude the possibility of the release of the 48 card set in the Spring of '47 (unless they were issued at different times throughout the season), and lend support to the white-bordered Bond Bread Promo card being the first issued card (in June).
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It might be worth exploring some old newspapers / publications from 1947 to determine whether it was the fall or spring of '47.

I do know that many of the '47 BB set of 44 pictures came from team photo packs from 1947, so it might be worth exploring when those were made available by the teams. I would believe that the cards were distributed after the team photo packs were, since the photo pack images appear to be the source of the BB photos.
Good idea! I will look into that and update you if I discover anything worthwhile.
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Hey guys,

I have the 1947 NEW YORK YANKEES team photo pack; and when I get home I'll check it out. My point here is that Joe Gordon
is pictured in a Yankees uniform in the 48 card set.
However, he was traded for Allie Reynolds to the Indians in Oct 1946.

Therefore, this may imply that this set was issued early in 1947.

NEW YORK YANKEES
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JOE DiMAGGIO
LARRY BERRA
JOE GORDON
CHARLIE KELLER
JOHNNY LINDELL
PHIL RIZZUTO
AARON ROBINSON


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Along the lines of Ted's thinking, I have always looked at George Birdie Tebbetts as the "swing factor". He appears in his catcher gear, but I believe is wearing his Detroit uniform underneath (as the cursive D sticks out). Birdie was traded by the Detroit Tigers to the Boston Red Sox for Hal Wagner on May 20, 1947. This adds some credence to the "early 1947" release of the 48-card set.

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Have read this thread today with interest. I remember the cards being for sale back in the late 70s in an ad in the Trader Speaks but passed on them as I had a feeling they were NOT originals at the time. Interestingly, I bought about 40 or so 8 x 10 black and white poster-like inserts(?) of the same players and poses at the Saturday Flea market where back in the day you could still make some cool finds.... still have them buried in a box somewhere, I remember Ted Williams, Joe Louis, Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Phil Rizzuto, Stan Musial, Bob Feller and a few others.... they were on a soft paper looked to be from the 40s or 50s..... same poses and signatures..... any info on these? Blank backed .... no manufacturer anywhere. They do have borders on them unlike a lot of the cards Ive seen.
They are from a 1940s multisport pack. Here are a few:




This Graziano is not one of the bread cards but he was a major personality in the late 1940s:



I've also had FB players Johnny Lujack and Doc Blanchard, and Bob Feller.
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YES thank you ExhibitMan those are the ones! Now that you mention, I seem to remember a few football as well.... maybe Glenn Davis? I will post a list of what I have when I dig em out! Thanks again for posting.
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Hi Ted,

Not sure if this is the thread http://www.network54.com/Forum/52660...Navy+Ships+set where you got that picture of the "Navy Ships"box. The post by Troy Kirk shows a box that contains movie star cards with the clipped/rounded corners.

You suggested in this thread the corners were clipped/rounded on the baseball issue for inserting with the bread so would you conclude that these movie stars cards may have been distributed the same way and would that make these a 1947 issue as well?

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Hi Ted,

........ The post by Troy Kirk shows a box that contains movie star cards with the clipped/rounded corners.

You suggested in this thread the corners were clipped/rounded on the baseball issue for inserting with the bread so would you conclude that these movie stars cards may have been distributed the same way and would that make these a 1947 issue as well?

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Hi Greg

I don't recall saying the cards of the Movie Stars issue had "rounded corners". The 12-card box (with Lucille Ball) shown that you are alluding to contains square-cornered cards.
The window of this box has beveled corners (not the cards in it). Here are some of my Movie Stars cards. My research indicates that these cards were issued circa 1949-1950.





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Hi Ted,
That is my point. The link I included in my post to you contained a post by Troy who has these movie star cards in box and the cards have rounded/clipped corners. The movie star cards you showed do not.

Here is a picture of a friend's boxed sets. These cards all have clipped/rounded corners. In fact he listed the singles on ebay. Here is a link to one of the cards that came out of those boxes. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Judy-Garland...4AAOSwdI9Y8Twg
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I have to tell you this....I'm somewhat suspicious of these Movie Stars cards. Here is the seller's comments..........


" I will be breaking down a full 48 card high grade set ..this set is hard to find in any condition let alone in such exceptional shape.

This is the only set i've ever had of these cards and i've only seen a few singles pop up here and there.

At the end of the card listings i'll be listing the original 4 colored boxes in separate auctions...don't miss out on those ever rarer boxes.

These cards were issued in the late 1940s or early 1950s by A.J. Wildman & Son Titled "Screen Star Subjects"

card measures; 21/4 x 3 7/16 " with blank backs...the backs are clean unless specified.

These cards are seem very similar to the Bond Bread cards made of sports cards which were made in 1947 and fetch a pretty penny.

Please examine scans and ask questions...i will point out any flaws not seen on the scan.

After some discussion in the hobby it appears these may in fact be Bond Bread cards.

They are the same size,card stock,shape as the Baseball cards issued in 1947 which also were issued in 12 card boxes.
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I don't know of anyone who pulled Movie Star cards out of Bond Bread loaf packages in 1947. Furthermore, the beveled corners of his
Movie Stars are unlike those of the original 1947 BB cards (whose corners were factory die cut). And, it absolutely does NOT make any
sense (if these cards were marketed in the 12-card packs) for them to have beveled corners.

Something does not jive here. Unless they were hand trimmed to resemble the 1947 issue, so he (or someone) could jack-up their price.

Incidentally, the 48 square cornered BB cards (circa 1949) were marketed by "Sports Star Subjects" in those four 12-card packs.


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I have to tell you this....I'm somewhat suspicious of these Movie Stars cards. Here is the seller's comments..........


" I will be breaking down a full 48 card high grade set ..this set is hard to find in any condition let alone in such exceptional shape.

This is the only set i've ever had of these cards and i've only seen a few singles pop up here and there.

At the end of the card listings i'll be listing the original 4 colored boxes in separate auctions...don't miss out on those ever rarer boxes.

These cards were issued in the late 1940s or early 1950s by A.J. Wildman & Son Titled "Screen Star Subjects"

card measures; 21/4 x 3 7/16 " with blank backs...the backs are clean unless specified.

These cards are seem very similar to the Bond Bread cards made of sports cards which were made in 1947 and fetch a pretty penny.

Please examine scans and ask questions...i will point out any flaws not seen on the scan.

After some discussion in the hobby it appears these may in fact be Bond Bread cards.

They are the same size,card stock,shape as the Baseball cards issued in 1947 which also were issued in 12 card boxes.
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I don't know of anyone who pulled Movie Star cards out of Bond Bread loaf packages in 1947. Furthermore, the beveled corners of his
Movie Stars are unlike those of the original 1947 BB cards (whose corners were factory die cut). And, it absolutely does NOT make any
sense (if these cards were marketed in the 12-card packs) for them to have beveled corners.

Something does not jive here. Unless they were hand trimmed to resemble the 1947 issue, so he (or someone) could jack-up their price.

Incidentally, the 48 square cornered BB cards (circa 1949) were marketed by "Sports Star Subjects" in those four 12-card packs.


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Hi Ted,

I bought a partial set of the movie star cards with the rounded corners. They are factory cuts. There are 3 non sports guys who have cards or sets with the rounded corners and in all cases those cards did come from those boxes. I will have to compare the cuts on the movie stars to the baseball cards as I have both. They appeared exactly the same to me when I first looked at them that I never gave the corners another look.

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Ok so I had asked about these cards a while back mine are exhibit sized but have a cardstock cardboard backing. Not white or beige and pretty thick with what I would call a semi gloss.





This is a list of the cards I have.

Here are the 17 common cards
(3)* Ewell Blackwell
(4)* Lou Boudreau
(6)* Harry Brecheen
(9)* Bobbie Doerr (Bobby)
(11)* Bob Elliott
(12)* Del Ennis
(13)* Bob Feller
(16)* Joe Gordon
(19)* Tommy Holmes
(24)* Ken Keltner
(26)* Ralph Kiner
(30)* Johnny Mize
(33)* Johnny Pesky
(36)* Aaron Robinson
(38)* John Sain
(39)* Enos Slaughter
(40)* Vern Stephens


Then 7 more uncommon cards
(20) Larry Janson (Jansen)
(21) Sheldon Jones
(22) Edwin Joost
(27) John Lindell
(28) Whitey Lockman
(41) George Tebbetts
(43) Johnny Van Der Meer (VanderMeer)


I also have the Walker Cooper that isn't listed on old cardboard.

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You've got a ways to go for the set.



(I never get tired of that one...)

No one knows much about the issue, despite all the sharp card researchers here. Best guess is it was the same art licensed to someone other than the bread folks. Like the perforated cards from Elgee



(never get tired of that one either)
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It was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams,
a Stan Musial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card. Our Mom couldn't buy enough of the Bond Bread loafs. So, we
had our Dad buying Bond Bread for his restaurant and our Aunt buying Bond Bread. In the Fall of 1947, we experienced one of the most
exciting World Series ever played. 1947 was a tremendous year for BB, and a great start for me in the wonderful life-long hobby of col-
lecting BB cards. These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our neighborhood. By trading & sharing our collections with each
other, we eventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a complete set.


1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD wrapper


[linked image]



Many cards in this set are the very 1st (or rookie) cards issued of the players. Shown here are the 1st cards of Yogi Berra, Stan Musial,
Jackie Pobinson, Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner and Bobby Thomson.

[linked image]



This set has been the source of much confusion in the hobby for many years. The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this
general set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or ROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages.
Unfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were issued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs
have been mis-identified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards. Grading Co. have been most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE "imposters".

Shown here are two cards from the 1949 (unknown) issue which includes 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and
an additional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards may have been printed by the
same firm that printed the 1947 set. However, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie the fact that these cards are
NOT related to the "1947 Bond Bread" issue.
A recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this col-
lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of '49).


1949 (unknown) issue

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A 1947 Bond Bread Team/checklist will follow in the next post here.


TED Z


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Ted-Are all the Jackie Robinson cards round cornered? I've only seen one card (portrait) with round corners, all the rest have square.
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Ted-Are all the Jackie Robinson cards round cornered? I've only seen one card (portrait) with round corners, all the rest have square.

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The 1947 BOND BREAD Jackie Robinson series (13-cards) were not issued in Bond Bread packages; and therefore, they are all Square-cornered.

These cards were my very first BB cards which I collected as a very young kid in 1947......pulled out of BOND BREAD packages.




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Question... I have the rounded corner Jackie that is mint but came back a SGC A due to it be 1/64th of a inch too small. Does that even make sense?
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Question... I have the rounded corner Jackie that is mint but came back a SGC A due to it be 1/64th of a inch too small. Does that even make sense?

Stephen

I just shuffled thru my 1947 BOND BREAD set (48 cards)....and, the variation in size between some of these cards is as much as 1/16th of an inch.

My advice to you is to wait a couple of months, then crack the card out of its holder and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA). There's a high likelihood that
you'll get it back with a numerical grade.


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Scottsdale Cards has a boxed set of Screen Star Subjects for sale, suggesting that the rounded-corner cards were available in these boxes.
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That's discouraging. The rounded corners was the only way I knew of to differentiate the Bond Breads from the Collectors & Traders Sport Star Subjects
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The starting bid was $1500, which I thought was strong and I figured maybe it hits $3K with vig. It sold for $8,700. The total pop on these cards is two in any grade and it is definitely a rare card, but I'm still shocked at how expensive it was.
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Just got these back from SGC and thought I would post. I appreciate the information provided about this set going back 10 years or more on this thread. I also have a bunch of the Hollywood versions of cards ( Jimmy Stewart, Alan Ladd, etc). They have rounded corners but I cannot find as much information on the star cards as the baseball. I appreciate the net54 community and the wealth of knowledge in this forum community.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:28 AM
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Old 11-18-2019, 03:10 PM
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Daryl

The two Jackie Robinson cards in your picture should not have been graded "A" by SGC. These mis-graded JRobby cards
tell us that SGC is not really educated enough regarding these cards to grade them properly.

In 1947, I pulled a number of these 1947 rounded corner cards from BOND BREAD packages which had "square" corners
simply because the factory did not provide sufficient pressure on the die-cut machinery to shape that corner. The proof of
this is the die-cut impression on that card's "square" corner.

There are at least 4 (if not more) such mis-cut cards in my complete set of 48 cards.


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Old 11-19-2019, 12:14 PM
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Tip Top and Bond Bread were issued by the same company -Ward Baking, whose parent company was General Baking when these 2 sets were issued in 1947.

Tip Top only issued cards for the cities that had teams -for example, Tip Top contained only cards of the Braves and Red Sox while New York were only issued Yankees, Giants and Dodgers, so collectors would see any other team.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Bond Bread cards were issued in states and cities that had no teams. Just a wild guess.
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:23 PM
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Tip Top and Bond Bread were issued by the same company -Ward Baking, whose parent company was General Baking when these 2 sets were issued in 1947.

Tip Top only issued cards for the cities that had teams -for example, Tip Top contained only cards of the Braves and Red Sox while New York were only issued Yankees, Giants and Dodgers, so collectors would see any other team.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Bond Bread cards were issued in states and cities that had no teams. Just a wild guess.

Ryan

Both 1947 BOND BREAD and TIP TOP cards were issued in states and cities which had Major League teams playing BB.

I don't understand this last statement of yours. It does not make any sense.

I collected these BOND BREAD cards as a very young kid in the Summer/Fall of 1947. We lived in NJ (less than a 1/2 hour away from NYC).
My cousins who lived in NYC collected these same cards.

The TIP TOP Set consists of 163 subjects which represent 11 teams in the Major Leagues.

The BOND BREAD set consists of 44 ballplayers....here is a team checklist:

NEW YORK GIANTS
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JOHNNY MIZE
SID GORDON
LARRY JANSEN
SHELDON JONES
BUDDY KERR
WHITEY LOCKMAN
WILLARD MARSHALL
BOBBY THOMSON

BROOKLYN DODGERS
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JACKIE ROBINSON
REX BARNEY
RALPH BRANCA
BRUCE EDWARDS
CARL FURILLO
JOE HATTEN
GIL HODGES
PEE WEE REESE


NEW YORK YANKEES
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JOE DiMAGGIO
LARRY BERRA
JOE GORDON
CHARLIE KELLER
JOHNNY LINDELL
PHIL RIZZUTO
AARON ROBINSON

BOSTON RED SOX
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TED WILLIAMS
DOM DIMAGGIO
BOBBY DOERR
JOHNNY PESKY

CLEVELAND INDIANS
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BOB FELLER
LOU BOUDREAU
KEN KELTNER
BIRDIE TEBBETTS

ST LOUIS CARDINALS
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STAN MUSIAL
HARRY BRECHEEN
ENOS SLAUGHTER

BOSTON BRAVES
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JOHNNY SAIN
BOB ELLIOTT
TOMMY HOLMES

CINCINNATI REDS
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EWELL BLACKWELL
JOHNNY VANDERMEER

CHICAGO CUBS
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ANDY PAFKO

PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS
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EDDIE JOOST

PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
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DEL ENNIS

PITTSBURGH PIRATES
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RALPH KINER

ST LOUIS BROWNS
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VERN STEPHENS



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Old 11-19-2019, 01:35 PM
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Well, I did say I'd go out on a limb
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