Isa graders?

[CMIZ5290]

Does anyone have opinions or thoughts about this new grading service? I must admit, some of there recent cards on ebay look very strictly graded....still very skeptical however.

[novakjr]

Have they given any trimmed cards an 8 yet?

[Peter_Spaeth]

On an ebay search, the first card that comes up is an ISA 9 33 Goudey. That was enough for me.

[sycks22]

ISA isn't new, it's been around for a couple years. I wouldn't trust them.

[VOTC]

I know the owner personally. Jason Koonce. Former PSA employee. Was unhappy with some aspects of PSA decided he could do it better. I trust them

[bobbyw8469]

You may trust them, but the general public doesn't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

First five cards on a highest to lowest search.
Brett rookie 10
Ditka rookie 9
Jordan rookie 10
Brock rookie 9
56 Jackie 9

Well, OK, maybe.

[novakjr]

Just from looking at what's on the bay. It does appear that they do a pretty decent job of grading/authenticating. My only concern is that on the high-grade stuff, it appears that the 10 may be thrown around a little too freely.. That Brett rookie though. It's hard to say. It's one hell of a gorgeous card..

[36GoudeyMan]

We really won't know much until we some ISA cross to PSA/SGC... notwithstanding the issues with PSA/SGC themselves...

[pclpads]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Does anyone have opinions or thoughts about this new grading service? I must admit, some of there recent cards on ebay look very strictly graded....still very skeptical however.

If you are looking to slab vintage and want to maximize your investment, why go to a start-up? Stick w/ PSA or SGC.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by pclpads

If you are looking to slab vintage and want to maximize your investment, why go to a start-up? Stick w/ PSA or SGC.

because they were startups once too. why would you ever go with sgc, when psa started their card grading service first? how did sgc get off the ground if people just said "why go with sgc, stick w/psa?

[pclpads]

Originally Posted by travrosty

because they were startups once too. why would you ever go with sgc, when psa started their card grading service first? how did sgc get off the ground if people just said "why go with sgc, stick w/psa?

Maybe you missed this earlier post: "On an ebay search, the first card that comes up is an ISA 9 33 Goudey. That was enough for me."

My post was obviously over your head. The point is, PSA & SGC now have years of cred. So, why go to a newer, unproven? When PSA & SGC started, what was the slab competition . . . CSA, PRO, KSA?? I'd take my chances on a PSA or SGC slab any day of the week over the same card in a ISA slab. What are you, a flack for ISA?

[buymycards]

I was surprised to see a full page ad in SCD this week. $7 per card for 2 day service.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Maybe you missed this earlier post: "On an ebay search, the first card that comes up is an ISA 9 33 Goudey. That was enough for me."

My post was obviously over your head. The point is, PSA & SGC now have years of cred. So, why go to a newer, unproven? When PSA & SGC started, what was the slab competition . . . CSA, PRO, KSA?? I'd take my chances on a PSA or SGC slab any day of the week over the same card in a ISA slab. What are you, a flack for ISA?

no, i had never heard of them before, i just reject out of the hand the old argument that a new startup cant be trusted, then no one would have trusted sgc, because psa was already up and running by then, so why take a chance on sgc.

you are suggesting psa and sgc opened at the same time, and they didnt - psa started first, please correct me if i am in error.

same with autographs, people will say - "why go with someone other than psa or jsa.

well, when jsa started, where were those people saying "why go with someone other than psa?"

no startup would or could succeed following that line of reasoning.

[drc]

It's true that people in the hobby can be automatically dismissive about the new and different. I've noticed that through the years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Who is the grader? What are his qualifications and more importantly his reputation?

[Wymers Auction]

If I was that curious I would buy an inexpensive ISA card and view the item for myself. There are several of these startups that grade dinged up cards as 10's.

[pclpads]

Originally Posted by travrosty

no, i had never heard of them before, i just reject out of the hand the old argument that a new startup cant be trusted, then no one would have trusted sgc, because psa was already up and running by then, so why take a chance on sgc.

you are suggesting psa and sgc opened at the same time, and they didnt - psa started first, please correct me if i am in error.

same with autographs, people will say - "why go with someone other than psa or jsa.

well, when jsa started, where were those people saying "why go with someone other than psa?"

no startup would or could succeed following that line of reasoning.

So, if you had a '52T Mantle, your grading co. of choice would be ISA and you really believe that would maximize the value over the same card in a PSA or SGC slab?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pclpads

So, if you had a '52T Mantle, your grading co. of choice would be ISA and you really believe that would maximize the value over the same card in a PSA or SGC slab?

It might if ISA gave it a numerical grade and the others would have deemed it altered; or graded it 2 grades higher. Otherwise, clearly not. More generally, I don't think it's impossible for a new market entrant to make headway, but I think the market would require a lot of information about the grader and his reputation. There have been quite a number of sham grading services in the past and the burden is on any new one to convince us that it isn't one more.

[drc]

I agree that a new company has to demonstrate their skills and/or document their experience. If a new company does a credible, good job it can catch on with time-- though I'd think card grading can be a tough area to get a foothold.

I think if a company does a good job, many collectors will eventually be welcoming. Collectors often say it would be nice if there was a new quality grader.

[T206DK]

I wonder if their facebook page still exists. it showed a bunch of young kids as the employees....

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would welcome a grading service with expert graders free from influence and ownership free from conflict of interest.

[novakjr]

Well, at least the Cobb/Edwards Wagner wasn't the first card that they graded.. ISA's definitely off to a better start than others..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Anyone remember CSA and PRO?

[travrosty]

they say they want a new quality grader, but if it ever comes to fruition, they swarm like sharks and hyenas to denounce the company because all their stuff is in psa or gsc holders, and they dont want to dilute what they already have.

if a new company overtook sgc or psa and caught on TOO MUCH, then all their stuff has to be regraded and pay again, it's what happened with gai and autograph authentication.

so they really DONT want someone newm everm no matter how good.

[drc]

The majority of new graders have been scams to borderline scams, so skepticism from card collectors isn't just knee jerk.

Some basement graders were there to grade fakes and altered cards, and others existed to overgrade as the grader was also the cards owner and seller. One infamous grader graded pictures cut out of books, representing them as cards-- and, yes, the grader, the picture cutter and the seller were the same person. Some graders clearly did not care if their grade or card description was accurate (they often knew the grade and description was wrong)-- they were only interested in taking money from newbie collectors who didn't know better.

So card collectors who have been around the block are going to be skeptical when the latest grader pops up. History hasn't exactly been pretty.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by travrosty

because they were startups once too. why would you ever go with sgc, when psa started their card grading service first? how did sgc get off the ground if people just said "why go with sgc, stick w/psa?

True. Maybe they're great guys. Maybe they do things the right way. Maybe they aren't greedy bastards who just care about money.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who is the grader? What are his qualifications and more importantly his reputation?

The head grader's qualifications: he was born to grade.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sounds like a Springsteen hit.

[drc]

As a watcher of vintage horror movies (ala Bela Lugosi), it makes me wonder what kind of unholy, unearthly lab experiment would produce a human born to be a grader.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sounds like a Springsteen hit.

Very few people actually know that the original title of Springsteen's 1975 breakout hit was "Born to Grade." Who would have known he was a card geek when he was young?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Was "Grading in the Dark" about PSA, SGC, or both?

[acramos1]

Instead of people just dogging ISA, can we get some opinions from people who have actually dealt with the company?

[Deertick]

My favorite album, "Gradings from Asbury Park, NJ."

[DerekMichael]

Mr. Mize,

For all I know, ISA could be a great company.

The thing is, it may impact the value of your card if it is in an ISA holder as oppose to PSA or SGC. For example, I have bought a few cards over the years by grading companies other than PSA and SGC, and on more than one occasion, they turned out to be altered.

In other words, I personally will always be a bit skeptical now due to my personal experience, and therefore would almost automatically pay less for a card graded by a company that is not PSA or SGC.

Still, I suppose we now know that no company is 100% perfect.

[acramos1]

Still not getting any "personal experiences" yet. Again, I'm very interested to hear from people who have personally dealt with ISA!

[brett 75]

Don't particularly care for any of the grading company's but there is absolutely nothing wrong with good old fashioned competition in the business world . The collectors will be the final judge of who has quality grading at a fair price. All the money I saved on sending cards in for grading I spent on more actual cards rather than on hard plastic case and typed labels . Learn to grade for your self! Brett

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Deertick

My favorite album, "Gradings from Asbury Park, NJ."

[Clutch-Hitter]

Just browsed ebay and noticed the high end stuff but there were "authentic/altered" cards and other lower grade ones as well, all of which seemed consistent. The high end was very nice by the way, possibly ringers to attract attention. Looks pretty good so far. If done the right way, they can compete, and I noticed known advertizers on their site, along with probstein (?) selling some high end card.

[Clutch-Hitter]

P.S: they'll advertize here if they have any sense.

[oldjudge]

Jeff-let's clear one thing up, if your name is not Grady you couldn't be born to grade (exceptions may be made if your mother's maiden name was Grady and you are willing to undergo some genetic testing).

[toledo_mudhen]

So I picked up one of these at a more than fair price..... You tell me.....

[bobbyw8469]

I would take a pass on the Banks if I were you. It is in that ISA holder for a reason.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Looks trimmed to me..........

[1880nonsports]

I don't collect recent issues any longer and have always stayed away from cards in the minty ranges. Looking at the Banks card shown (without it in hand) I would have no clue it's been trimmed from the scan. I might not know even with it in hand..... An "off brand" of TPG and unusual condition suggests an extra level of caution be applied.

[ksabet]

...nevermind

[rocarroll]

Originally Posted by travrosty

no, i had never heard of them before, i just reject out of the hand the old argument that a new startup cant be trusted, then no one would have trusted sgc, because psa was already up and running by then, so why take a chance on sgc.

you are suggesting psa and sgc opened at the same time, and they didnt - psa started first, please correct me if i am in error.

same with autographs, people will say - "why go with someone other than psa or jsa.

well, when jsa started, where were those people saying "why go with someone other than psa?"

no startup would or could succeed following that line of reasoning.

That may be true, but I don't want to be the guinea pig for them. Especially considering the fact I'm only saving $3 over SGC. No thanks but best of luck to you on that.

[midmo]

If nothing else I really like their simple pricing structure. I wish the others would take note. I've never understood why the value of a card should dictate the price to grade it. That always seemed wrong to me.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It might if ISA gave it a numerical grade and the others would have deemed it altered; or graded it 2 grades higher. Otherwise, clearly not. More generally, I don't think it's impossible for a new market entrant to make headway, but I think the market would require a lot of information about the grader and his reputation. There have been quite a number of sham grading services in the past and the burden is on any new one to convince us that it isn't one more.

+1

The only reason I could imagine someone sending in a high profile card like a 53 Mantle or an 86 Jordan to a company no one has heard of is that they couldn't get a numerical grade out of PSA or SGC. Anyone buying these cards is probably hoping to cross but chances are someone has already tried and failed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by midmo

If nothing else I really like their simple pricing structure. I wish the others would take note. I've never understood why the value of a card should dictate the price to grade it. That always seemed wrong to me.

Because a flat rate would be much higher than the lowest rate and would create a disincentive to grade less pricey cards. Simple business.