OT: Shoeless Joe HOF decision?

[packs]

He admitted himself to taking $5,000 from Lefty Williams. Whether he threw the series or not, he took money to throw it instead of reporting anything or doing anything to stop the fix. He deserves the ban in my opinion.

[JoeyFarino]

Originally Posted by packs

He admitted himself to taking $5,000 from Lefty Williams. Whether he threw the series or not, he took money to throw it instead of reporting anything or doing anything to stop the fix. He deserves the ban in my opinion.

So if he took the money but didnt jeopardize the series he should still be banned??? Just curious but whats the logic behind that. Who cares if he took money. If he didnt throw the game then....

[packs]

Originally Posted by JoeyFarino

So if he took the money but didnt jeopardize the series he should still be banned??? Just curious but whats the logic behind that. Who cares if he took money. If he didnt throw the game then....

What is your logic? Guy A offers Guy B money to throw the World Series. Guy B takes the money. His team loses. He keeps the money.

Did Guy B do nothing wrong? Even if you want to argue that Jackson played well, he took money to throw the World Series. The appropriate thing to do would have been to not take the money and alert the league. But he chose to take the money and keep his mouth shut until he was implicated, at which time he admitted to taking a bribe to throw the Series.

[JoeyFarino]

Originally Posted by packs

What is your logic? Guy A offers Guy B money to throw the World Series. Guy B takes the money. His team loses. He keeps the money.

Did Guy B do nothing wrong?

He did nothing to jeopardize the game right? So besides taking money then what did he do personally to keep him outta the HOF??? I get what youre saying but if he played his best and didnt purposely throw any games then he deserves to be in

[packs]

He accepted a bribe to throw the World Series and admitted such in court. That is why he is banned from baseball. Seems cut and dry to me. If there is some honor in accepting a bribe, I am not aware of it.

[JoeyFarino]

Originally Posted by packs

He accepted a bribe to throw the World Series and admitted such in court. That is why he is banned from baseball. Seems cut and dry to me. If there is some honor in accepting a bribe, I am not aware of it.

Accepting a bribe is meaningless unless u do something personally to fulfill the terms of the bribe. If he didnt then theres no reason whatsoever why he shouldnt be in

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by JoeyFarino

Accepting a bribe is meaningless unless u do something personally to fulfill the terms of the bribe. If he didnt then theres no reason whatsoever why he shouldnt be in

To all: Don't think for ONE minute that Joe Jackson didn't do anything to "throw" the 1919 World Series. True, his statistics do not warrant that notion. However, when Christy Mathewson joined iconic sports reporter and good friend Grantland Rice to cover the 1919 series, Matty was appalled at the number of balls that were falling safely between and in front of Jackson and Felsh (CF). Matty insisted something was terribly wrong, especially considering Jackson's world class fielding reputation. Jackson may not have been charged with any "official" errors, but he played a "careless" left field "at least" the first 5 games. Also attributing to Jackson's .300+ series average was his performances in game 6 and 7 (when he hit his one series homer) after the Sox were down 4 games to 1. Rothstein had not paid the players what he promised them, thus enticing the players (including Jackson) to revolt and play hard to win those 2 games. Unfortunately, after Lefty Williams' wife was threatened after the Sox closed the series to 4 games to 3, Williams didn't make it out of the first inning in game#8, ultimately leading to the Red's series victory.

Bottom line: Jackson was a guilty as "Original Sin"! He has no business being in Cooperstown and neither does Pete Rose.

JoeT.

[Joshwesley]

That's a shame... obviously by judging his performance in the series... Joe didn't throw anything, but taking the money makes him guilty.

He'll never get in..... but he'll always be an iconic figure and his cards will always have significant value.

[JoeyFarino]

Jackson had 0 errors, 12 hits and a .375 batting average during the world series and he doesnt deserve to be in the HOF??? Come on

[howard38]

[QUOTE=Joshwesley;1448233]That's a shame... obviously by judging his performance in the series... Joe didn't throw anything, but taking the money makes him guilty.

That isn't necessarily so. The Sox weren't trying to throw every game and in the three they won (and in which Jackson was presumably doing his best) he batted .545. In the five losses he batted only .286 and most have that production (HR, 2B, 3 RBI) came in the final game when they were already getting blown out. That isn't proof of any wrongdoing but neither is his overall BA of .375 proof of innocence.