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Old 09-18-2017, 10:20 PM
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As to your question about whether PSA keeps records of previous submissions, PSA President Joe Orlando says that every card is considered brand new once it arrives. May just be talk, but he is on record saying it.

But I have seen about 15 of these "Altered Stock" posts and the vast majority are cards pressed thin by screwdown bricks. PSA normally labels erasures with (MK) qualifiers.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:05 PM
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I agree with last post. I asked this question last year at the national in A.C. and was told that for the most part altered stock qualifiers ment that the card was pressed either on purpose or by a screw down case. I had a number of 80's rookies come back this way ( Montana, Gwynn, McGwire etc) and I had removed them from heavy screw down cases. PSA rep showed me where you could see a very light surface wrinkle had been flattened. I can't see it without magnification but that is what I would look for on your Clemente.
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:33 AM
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Send it to SGC. Their customer service is great. If they don't give it a numerical grade they'd be willing to talk to you on the phone as to why.
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Old 09-28-2017, 04:42 PM
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Altered stock is their term for a card that's been pressed from years in a screwdown holder. You can try with PSA again, but after that, send it back to BVG.
Sounds like a PSA gambit to buy only cards already in a PSA holder to me. If you tighten the screws just finger-tight, it doesn't do anything to the card, and the card is not going to slip out. On the other hand, if you really crank the screws down like your life (or the card's) depended on it, it might pinch the corners.

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Old 09-28-2017, 06:43 PM
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I have never had the issue of altered stock from cards being in a screw down case - maybe just lucky until I learned about this happening on the net... Now however anything with a screwdown I get I take it out and let it sit in a humid room (basement) for a while... maybe the cardboard breathes in some humidity and expands back - I don't know but then it goes into penny sleeve and toploader... makes me feel better about that issue...
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Old 09-28-2017, 08:42 PM
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I got lucky as well, I guess.

I remember adding them to the cubes and I also remember being very careful just to screw them down just enough.
They were stored in these for 25-30yrs but were placed on their side, not their backs, so that may have helped?
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Old 09-29-2017, 03:25 PM
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I agree with last post. I asked this question last year at the national in A.C. and was told that for the most part altered stock qualifiers ment that the card was pressed either on purpose or by a screw down case. I had a number of 80's rookies come back this way ( Montana, Gwynn, McGwire etc) and I had removed them from heavy screw down cases. PSA rep showed me where you could see a very light surface wrinkle had been flattened. I can't see it without magnification but that is what I would look for on your Clemente.
I just received a 1954 card back from PSA with this N5-Altered Stock non-graded rating. I have not owned the card but for the last few years, so do not know if it had previously been placed in a screw-down case. I cannot see any "wrinkles" that may have been flattened. A friend mentioned that maybe the card corners are "flatter" due to the screw-down. If the corners have been thinned due to prolonged pressure, is there anyway to salvage this card? Will the card "re-form" over time? Any thing I need to do to save this card or do I just replace it?
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Old 09-29-2017, 05:22 PM
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Altered stock could also mean recolored or erased, or heavy amounts of gloss removed. Doesn't mean the card doesn't look nice raw. PSA could pass it on a future submission or you could send it to BGS or SGC.
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Say you had a corner that came slightly separated from the underlying cardboard. In other words, the thin, glossy top portion of the card was no longer 'attached' to the core card, just at the very corner. The normal approach would be to grab something like the flat end of a pen and try to smoosh it back down/flatten it out to make it whole again. Would something like that come back as 'altered stock'?
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The moral to the story is if you want a key card in a PSA holder, bite the bullet, pay the going rate over taking a chance on a second tier grading co. Lots of horror stories like yours out there. BTW, PSA loves guys who continue to sub again and again, hoping for a better grade. I think it is part of their corp profit strategy.
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