Sovereign Unopened 1910 Cigarette Pack

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Posted By: Jon Canfield 

Just a word of caution to all the potential bidders out there...

While this pack is gorgeous

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3284307456

It has absolutely no chance of having a card in it. If you look at the side and the tax stamp, you will see the number 8 (around the facorty number on the side and in the upper corners of the tax stamp). This means this pack contains 8 cigarettes, not 10. All relevant T-cards were packaged in 10 packs. I know this seller has offered packs before... just wanted to give everyone a heads up!

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Posted By: hankron

You don't have to be a pack expert to know that a dealer offering the possibility of pulling a Soverign T206 Honus Wagner is full of s**t.

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Posted By: JamesWalkerJr

Another clue that a T206 is not in this pack is the label on the side states "Factory No. 649 ..." (see pic below). Only packs from Factory No. 25 had cards in them.

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Posted By: Halleygator

The question is ... how will they taste?

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Posted By: hankron

In my opinion, the only big issue is how much a collector is paying. All the packs are collectable and have some value. For a relatively plentiful 1920 Sweet Caporal pack (looks nice, obviously will not have a T206 inside), if a collector wants to pay $30 or $50 or $80, that seems reasonable. If he pays $130, that seems high to me, but far from outrageous. If he pays $700 or $800, that's about 7x too much.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

I agree with you completely, but - I gladly paid a pretty penny for my Broadleaf, High Grade and Creole empty packs and I don't think I'd have too much trouble selling them if I wanted to. I also just got an ok-looking Old Mill for a little over $100 - again a great price in my opinion... took me 3 years to get one! If there is one thing I've learned, can't put a price on items you want...

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

The issue here is that this auction is a scam. Seller has a reserve of over $500 and is describing a pack with the possibility of a T206. I am sure he knows that this is not possible. Flo-Joy in a different color

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Posted By: hankron

Jon, I understand what you are saying, but I doubt that anyone has ever paid $800 for an unopened Sweet Caporal pack where the seller clearly pointed out that the pack was from 1920 and would contain no trading cards. And one doesn't have to be a psychic to figure out how the buyer thought he was paying $800 for.

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Posted By: jay behrens

I exchanged several emails with the seller and seems genuinely ignort about what packs can possibly contain cards. When auction was pointed out here, I contacted him and pointed all the reason why it can't have a card, the 8 cigs, wrong factory, etc. He seemed genuinely interested in why I certainly that it did not have a card

Jay

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

If someone meets the reserve, becoming "unignorant" is going to be an expensive lesson.

That "N43 possible" (except it's not possible) A&G pack is still for sale at $7,999, by the way.

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Posted By: Joe P.

Any word on whether Mint State accepts checks as a form of payment?

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Final price - $835.00... I hope maybe Sovereign 8's are just rare cigarette packs for tobacco collectors! (even though I doubt it...

[NYHighlanderFan]

I know this is an older post that I'm resurrecting. But you mentioned that unopened cigarette 8-packs won't have cards inside. However, I am almost certain the American Beauty T206 cards were from 8-packs. When I started collecting my set 30 years ago, collectors who were 70+ years old back then told me that's why they are slightly narrower than the standard T206.

Any other brand that produced an 8-pack, like the Piedmont up for sale on baseball and tobacco.com, would fall in that category.

[gnaz01]

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=221017

What about this one??

[NYHighlanderFan]

Ahaahahhaaaa

It probably has a zip code on the side of it.

[FUBAR]

figures they dont show the blue seal so we can see that it doesn't have a card in it. con artists

[rdwyer]

Everyone knows that the Honus Wagner came in the premium packs. :-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kazakhstan-Sover...#ht_1575wt_913

[canjond]

Originally Posted by NYHighlanderFan

Any other brand that produced an 8-pack, like the Piedmont up for sale on baseball and tobacco.com, would fall in that category.

The Piedmont is actually a 10-pack, not an 8-pack.

Kind regards,
Jon