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Interesting fact about Mussina:
Yankees won the World Series in 2000 and 2009. Mussina played for them eight seasons, from 2001-2008. Bad luck I guess. |
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Same thing that happened with Donnie Baseball.
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Yeah, it happens. Look how many years Mattingly played for the Yankees without a championship, and the first year he is retired they win.
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...and Nomar was traded the year the 'Sox finally won. the 'Sox won 53 and lost 21 after the trade. Fate is cruel sometimes. .
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It is not looking good for Mussina to get in this year. With 41% of the known votes, he has gained 16 votes from last year. Last year he was 49 short. The voters who remain anonymous have a tendency to voter for fewer players.
Edgar Martinez is looking good to get in. He has gained 17 votes and was only short 20 last year. It is looking like a 3 man class of Rivera, Halladay and Martinez. With Jeter the only strong candidate on next year's ballot, I would expect Mussina to join Jeter as the BBWAA 2020 HOF class. |
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Mussina should definitely be in before Smoltz and maybe Glavine. If Mussina had taken a job in the NL you could lower his era a half point and he would have had 300 wins. It’s hard to believe the voters haven’t taken that into account. My guess would be that he gets in either 2020 or 21.
Edgar does appear to be closing in. To me, Edgar doesn’t belong at all. If he played a position he wouldn’t even be in the conversation. Players career stats most comparable to him are Will Clark, Magglio Ordonez and Moises Alou. He had 2200 hits and 300 hr with no other real accolades. If you have a ballot I don’t know how you vote for Edgar before Fred McGriff, Jeff Kent and Larry Walker. I expect Mariano and Halladay will sail in and they should. |
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Mussina finished in the top 3 of Cy Young voting once. If Mussina gets elected, only Jack Morris and Red Ruffing will have higher ERAs. The lower ERA is ridiculous. The league difference is about .25 before ignoring that the pitching was much better in the NL. Who was Mussina competing with? Clemens 91-03 and Pedro 98-04. Still he couldn't win a Cy Young, never led in ERA or WHIP. Also, his win total would have been lower in the NL. In the AL, he never got pulled for a pinch hitter. |
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Mussina 270-153 .638%. 2813 k, 3.68 era, 123 era+. Glavine 305-203 .600%. 2607 k, 3.54 era, 118 era+. Smoltz 213-155 .579%. 3084 k, 3.33 era, 125 era+. And 154 saves. Era+ shows a truer measure of how the player performs in relation to their league. Yes, the Braves have a ws the cy. Mussina has 7 gold gloves - not as important but a nice plus. But you can’t convince me of any reason why the Braves would go in first ballot and Mussinas first year he got 20% and had to climb over 6 years to get close. I would argue that he’s way more deserving than Smoltz - who had good years as a starter and reliever but didn’t do enough as either to get in. And Mussina, in some ways, is better than Glavine. Glavine has the magic 300 number and the 2 cy but over the course of their career Mussina is right there. |
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