Cards recently sold at auction or private sale circa Nov/Dec 1999

[DeanH3]

I was closet diving on my day off today and found an old SMR dated Nov/Dec 1999. I figured I'd scan the section that had recent sales of cards so others can have a peek at the selling prices.

I'd sure hate to be the guy who plopped down $11k on that McGwire card. The SMR price for a '52 Topps Mantle PSA 6 was $9K. Doh!!!

[texmrsport]

A 1997 SP Authentic Jake Plummer PSA 10 sold for $12.50 in September.

[DeanH3]

Now that's a nice return!

[pokerplyr80]

I had to look up that nomar. Two recent ebay sales, 45 and 57.

[Bosox Blair]

Shiny stuff makes for a great investment...lol!!!

Cheers,
Blair

[maddux311]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

Shiny stuff makes for a great investment...lol!!!

Cheers,
Blair

I have two words for you- DEREK JETER

1993 Sp PSA 9- $368.55
VCP now $2816.25

Well, that was more than two words!

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by maddux31

I have two words for you- DEREK JETER

1993 Sp PSA 9- $368.55
VCP now $2816.25

Well, that was more than two words!

"Little Sun"

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by maddux31

I have two words for you- DEREK JETER

1993 Sp PSA 9- $368.55
VCP now $2816.25

Well, that was more than two words!

Two more: Joe Mauer

Best of luck with the crystal ball gazing,

Larry

[CMIZ5290]

Dean, You need to look at Griffey Jr. rookies if you really want to get a jolt, especially 87 Bellinghams. They were bringing between $2500-4500 in gem mint grades....I know because I still have 10 of those bad boys....

[bbcard1]

Investing in active players has always been a crap shoot. I would have bet the house the Dale Murphy would be a Hall of Famer. Griffey needed a couple more Griffey-like seasons to be a true upper echelon HOFer instead of just the best of his generation. Still, I am tempted to pick up a couple of nice Mike Trout rookies. Only my extreme caution on pitchers keeps me away from a Kershaw. Honestly, I am not sure that some of the regular rookies of guys like Donaldson, Arrietta, Sale, Cabrera, Staunton, etc. may not be good long term investments (meaning returning 4 to 10 times your money). They don't make them by the millions any more. Of course whether anyone will ever get back to caring about the non-auto jersey numbered to 25 cards is anybody's guess. And for every one you hit, you'll end up with some Joey Hamiltons.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Investing in active players has always been a crap shoot. I would have bet the house the Dale Murphy would be a Hall of Famer. Griffey needed a couple more Griffey-like seasons to be a true upper echelon HOFer instead of just the best of his generation. Still, I am tempted to pick up a couple of nice Mike Trout rookies. Only my extreme caution on pitchers keeps me away from a Kershaw. Honestly, I am not sure that some of the regular rookies of guys like Donaldson, Arrietta, Sale, Cabrera, Staunton, etc. may not be good long term investments (meaning returning 4 to 10 times your money). They don't make them by the millions any more. Of course whether anyone will ever get back to caring about the non-auto jersey numbered to 25 cards is anybody's guess. And for every one you hit, you'll end up with some Joey Hamiltons.

Todd- What killed Griffey's values were the feel in 1999-2000 he was definitely going to break Aaron's home run record. Keep in mind, this was also because most people did not put him in the category of a cheater (steroids, etc...) Had injuries not plagued that guy, I really believe he would have broke the record, and his cards would have gone even higher. I was hoping that his voting percentage in the HOF would have brought back a little value in his rookies, not sure it has though...

[maddux311]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

Two more: Joe Mauer

Best of luck with the crystal ball gazing,

Larry

If you are "investing" in players and such, you are in the wrong hobby. Myself, I am a player collector and those that I collect are ones I have followed and admire.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Todd- What killed Griffey's values were the feel in 1999-2000 he was definitely going to break Aaron's home run record. Keep in mind, this was also because most people did not put him in the category of a cheater (steroids, etc...) Had injuries not plagued that guy, I really believe he would have broke the record, and his cards would have gone even higher. I was hoping that his voting percentage in the HOF would have brought back a little value in his rookies, not sure it has though...

He was also a rookie during and era when producers literally could not have printed more cards, the Dutch Tulip Bulb era of baseball cards. I agree he was a special player, nearly flawless while at the top of his game.

[Rich Klein]

Griffey may hold his value longer than you think as he was the "hobby poster boy" in the 1990's and most collectors have fond memories of him.

And the HOF induction without any steroid taint helps him as well. No, he is not going to be Mantle, but he was the closest thing to Willie Mays I ever saw.

And, those collectors from the 1990's who do return, will go after Griffey so I would not be surprised to see a bit of a renaissance in his prices. The three players since 1980 I would keep long term are Ripken, Griffey and Jeter

Regards
Rich

[dzolot]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Griffey may hold his value longer than you think as he was the "hobby poster boy" in the 1990's and most collectors have fond memories of him.

And the HOF induction without any steroid taint helps him as well. No, he is not going to be Mantle, but he was the closest thing to Willie Mays I ever saw.

And, those collectors from the 1990's who do return, will go after Griffey so I would not be surprised to see a bit of a renaissance in his prices. The three players since 1980 I would keep long term are Ripken, Griffey and Jeter

Regards
Rich

How about Cabrera? Career numbers thus far plus triple crown put him in high standing imo.

[BBB]

Cabrera will disappear from the pantheon and turn into a baseball encyclopedia foot note or an answer to a trivia question - I say this because I don't think everyone will remember which players certainly did steroid, might have, or were taking some other grey market PED. They will just get lumped into a pile. Consider the entire era a magnitude of the black sox scandal . There were 8 men out and only historians/enthusiasts understand the difference between their degree of guilt. Function of time blurring memory.


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[dzolot]

Originally Posted by BBB

Cabrera will disappear from the pantheon and turn into a baseball encyclopedia foot note or an answer to a trivia question - I say this because I don't think everyone will remember which players certainly did steroid, might have, or were taking some other grey market PED. They will just get lumped into a pile. Consider the entire era a magnitude of the black sox scandal . There were 8 men out and only historians/enthusiasts understand the difference between their degree of guilt. Function of time blurring memory.


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Pujols??

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by BBB

Cabrera will disappear from the pantheon and turn into a baseball encyclopedia foot note or an answer to a trivia question - I say this because I don't think everyone will remember which players certainly did steroid, might have, or were taking some other grey market PED. They will just get lumped into a pile. Consider the entire era a magnitude of the black sox scandal . There were 8 men out and only historians/enthusiasts understand the difference between their degree of guilt. Function of time blurring memory.


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I disagree. Winning the Triple Crown is a quite an exclusive club. Since 1900 about half as many players have won the Triple crown as have hit 500 home runs.

[Rich Klein]

I love Cabrera and Pujols as players but they do not seem to "transcend" the game the way the three players I mentioned. That's why I limited to those three.

Look -- Killebrew and F Robinson have more than 550 career homers and no hint of scandals but we don't go crazy over their cards.

I'll stay with my point, the three players I mentioned transcend the game

I do believe at least ONE of today's younger stars and Trout is certainly off to a great start, will join that group. But I would not be surprised if someone like Correa, Machado or even Bryant becomes the face of the generation. It will occur again.

Rich

[Snapolit1]

It's a tough thing to judge. Maybe, since we have a 365/24/7 media culture today, none of these guys will escape today with their reputations unsoiled. Even Jeter, who walked on water for many years in NY, has taken some hits post retirement. Mickey Mantle was a god to the guys collecting his cards today at six figures. Yes, we all know now he was no saint. Hardly. But at the time many people bonded with him he was a mythical, greater than earthy figure. Today we expose these guys as just flawed people like the rest of us. Scratch Jose Fernandez and J. Familia off the list. I don't think people today have anywhere near the same relationship with these guys. And even the good guys (like a Carlos Beltran or a Curtis Granderson) don't bond with people the way guys from our youth did.

[Snapolit1]

Jordan and Gretzky were the absolute face of their sport. People will buy their cards (rookie cards at least) regardless of what happens to them the rest of their lives.

[BBB]

Originally Posted by dzolot

Pujols??

Pujols was on my mind too. He's gotta be in next wave after the big 3. Frank Thomas and Greg Maddox in that next wave too.

To someone else's point, none of those guys in the next wave transcend the game. It's a fair point.


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