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05-24-2015, 12:25 PM
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In regards to the accusations of shilling, I have to confess ignorance. Here is the bid history of the winner of the first auction:
Bidding Details Bidder Information Bidder: t***l ( 406Feedback score is 100 to 499) Feedback: 100% Positive Item description: 2001 Team Topps Legends 1958 RC Retro Jim Brown Browns BGS Authentic w/ 10 AUTO Bids on this item: 2 30-Day Summary Total bids: 22 Items bid on: 16 Bid activity (%) with this seller: 0% Help Bid retractions: 0 Bid retractions (6 months): 0 30-Day Bid History Category No. of Bids Seller Help Last Bid Help Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 1 5d 23h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 2 Seller 2 <1h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 3 2d 8h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 2 Seller 4 <1h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 5 2d 6h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 6 2d 14h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 7 2d 21h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 8 6d 3h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 9 2d 11h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 10 5d 12h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 2 Seller 11 <1h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 3 Seller 12 <1h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 13 5d 22h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 2 Seller 14 <1h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 15 1d 23h Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Football 1 Seller 11 1d 1h How does one determine the OP shilled this auction and actually ended up winning it from the information above? 
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05-24-2015, 12:42 PM
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this is the 2nd one: 30-Day Summary Total bids: 99 Items bid on: 88 Bid activity (%) with this seller: 70% personally i think this is great and they deserve each other. how does probstein not have knowledge of the shill process here? i, have personally stopped bidding on his auctions these days and have now noticed a lot of cards undergoing a new selling system: 1. card gets listed at outrageous buy it now price w/ best offer option. all @ $5K for $100-$300 cards. this under the guise of "saving time w/ listings". 2. the card then gets auctioned/shilled for just above what solid offers were made for said card in step 1 above. 3. card then pops up for buy it now at just below shilled price in step 2. this happened to me on several cards from a 73 set break and a couple dock ellis cards... my name is Bob Evans and have no problem telling this in face and in person to rick. Last edited by begsu1013; 05-24-2015 at 12:56 PM.
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05-24-2015, 12:59 PM
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As far as the OP goes, sorry but there is enough information out there about Probstein that you should have known better. You play with snakes...
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05-24-2015, 02:27 PM
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I appreciate the feedback and have read all the replies.
For the record again, I did not bid on this item either time. I had no idea it was relisted until he sent me this months invoice. No matter what I say people will claim shilling, but thats simply not that case. If it happened, it happened on his end. Honestly at this point I wish he would had not put it on my invoice at all and just pocketed the money without me knowing versus taking the money and then chagrining me. As far as the math goes Probstein123 should be adding the additional $45.32 to my sellers invoice not taking it out of my invoice.
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05-24-2015, 03:33 PM
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Looks like some of our Jethroes here need some practice with their cipherin. Math isn't all gazintas
 Also, no shilling seen here.
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If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other. - Ulysses S. Grant, military commander, 18th US President. Last edited by nolemmings; 05-24-2015 at 03:51 PM.
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05-24-2015, 04:03 PM
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Where is there evidence of shilling by anyone?
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If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other. - Ulysses S. Grant, military commander, 18th US President.
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05-24-2015, 10:08 PM
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05-24-2015, 11:26 PM
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