PWCC Certified High End

[CrackaJackKid]

Do they just label this on any card they want now? Seen there is a PSA 1 T213 with a certified high end designation. Lol Whatever it takes to sell right?
PSA 1 Certified High End = Oxymoron

[Peter_Spaeth]

Why not? A 1 can be high end for the grade just like any other grade, no?

[CrackaJackKid]

I guess however you wanna break it down so that it makes more sense.

If someone told me they had a high end example of a certain card, the last thing to come to my mind is a really nice looking 1 or 2 example.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think the whole HE thing is a gimmick across the board, just saying it's equally as valid or invalid at whatever grade you apply it IMO.

[bobbyw8469]

I've had 1's that look like 6's....I've cracked out 2's that came back 5's.......so why not??

[CrackaJackKid]

Agreed on the whole gimmick statement.

I’ve just never heard anyone else apply that terminology to that low of a grade.

[MattyC]

High End "1" is not an oxymoron to me; in fact when I hear someone has a high-end card, my first hope is that it is a 1 like the card below. I sure think one of these two cards below is high end for the grade.

My beef is with the likes of SGC and PSA, who can look at us collectors with a straight face and say these cards are in effect "the same." Insults our intelligence and only exposes their arbitrary, outmoded criteria.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

I guess however you wanna break it down so that it makes more sense.

If someone told me they had a high end example of a certain card, the last thing to come to my mind is a really nice looking 1 or 2 example.

Low end technical grade can still be a higher end card...

[MattyC]

I'll call this "High End 1" Exhibit C for the thread.

[111gecko]

Wonder if it would help to add a (PH) pinhole and (PL) paper loss qualifier.? Then a regular card grade could be assigned.

[CrackaJackKid]

So decent/good looking cards graded 1s with a pinhole can now be assessed at the high end level for their grade. I guess I better get with the program. Lol

“High End” to me rypically refers to the most expensive example of all examples. But when you categorize by grades I guess anyone can call anything they want.

I just wouldnt feel right saying I had a high end example of a card when it’s recieved the lowest numerical grade. To each their own.

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

Do they just label this on any card they want now? Seen there is a PSA 1 T213 with a certified high end designation. Lol Whatever it takes to sell right?
PSA 1 Certified High End = Oxymoron

I had a Ryan RC that I swore was a 6, came back a 4. I called PSA and they said there was a slight indentation in the lower left corner that was not visible to the naked eye. I sent to PWCC and they labeled it HE as it had perfect centering. It ended up selling like a 5.


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[Thecafewha]

I think of High End being the best examples of a given item. I suppose if you keep dividing a group up into enough pieces (ie different grades), then there are a lot of HE cards out there.

It’s similar to the term Holy Grail. People have adopted it to mean their personal piece they want, doesn’t have to be a true hobby Holy Grail.

I don’t think these terms really influence buyers but who knows.


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[tribefan]

"We at PWCC are not professional graders so we trust in the reputation and opinion of 3rd party professional graders. "

[pclpads]

It's called, "Salesmanship 101" - say whatever it takes to make a sale. Like a used car salesman claiming, "This little baby only has 200K carefully driven / one owner miles. Won't last!"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tribefan

"We at PWCC are not professional graders so we trust in the reputation and opinion of 3rd party professional graders. "

Yeah I've pointed that out before. Kinda makes the whole thing even more absurd, doesn't it.

[CrackaJackKid]

[QUOTE=Thecafewha;1763332]I think of High End being the best examples of a given item. I suppose if you keep dividing a group up into enough pieces (ie different grades), then there are a lot of HE cards out there.

Couldn’t agree more.

[pokerplyr80]

[QUOTE=CrackaJackKid;1763524]

Originally Posted by Thecafewha

I think of High End being the best examples of a given item. I suppose if you keep dividing a group up into enough pieces (ie different grades), then there are a lot of HE cards out there.

Couldn’t agree more.

The certified high end designation means it's high end for the grade. Not one of the best copies in existence. Many collectors are interested in finding cards that look better than their technical grade, myself included.

[CrackaJackKid]

[QUOTE=pokerplyr80;1763589]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

The certified high end designation means it's high end for the grade. Not one of the best copies in existence. Many collectors are interested in finding cards that look better than their technical grade, myself included.

I still feel labeling a 1 with a pinhole,paper loss etc. high end is inaccurate. But to each his own.

[Rich Falvo]

I think that if you are saying something is high end for the grade, you need to include the "for the grade" part. Simply saying something is High End with no other context implies that it is a top example overall.

[pokerplyr80]

[QUOTE=CrackaJackKid;1763596]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I still feel labeling a 1 with a pinhole,paper loss etc. high end is inaccurate. But to each his own.

A nice 1 with a small amount of paper loss on the back or a well hidden pin hole that doesn't take away from the eye appeal of the card is the definition of a high end 1. Such a card could easily sell for twice the price or more of the VCP average for the beater 1s.

[Peter_Spaeth]

[QUOTE=pokerplyr80;1763589]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

The certified high end designation means it's high end for the grade. Not one of the best copies in existence. Many collectors are interested in finding cards that look better than their technical grade, myself included.

Agreed. But I don't need Brent to tell me when one does.

[Billy5858]

All I have to say is I bought the most beautiful T206 SL Shaunasy yeah it’s spelled wrong I’ll ever see in my life PSA 6 Brent HE.
Had to sell because of life. Paid a huge premium. But I’ll never see a better card than that one. In someone’s collection to never sell.
HE has its use