1928 Fro Joy, opinions please fellow collectors.

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Posted By: dan mckee

I am posting this for the seller, I am in friendly communication with him. Please give me your thoughts on authenticity. He stated he had the paper tested and it is from the 1920s. Dan.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5205833153

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Posted By: ockday

Dan..I have a set that I bought about 15 years ago that looks like this. The cards have the same dotted lines around the borders. It's been a couple of years sine I tried last but I have sent the cards to both PSA and SGC but could not get them graded.

Alan

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Posted By: dan mckee

Hi Alan, they won't grade any fro joys now. If you write me directly, I can discuss yours with you. Dan r337man@yahoo.com

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Posted By: leon

I am sure it's a fake....the grainy look gives it away...regards

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Posted By: Paul

It's a fake. I own both real & fake Ruth Fro Joy portrait cards, & there is not nearly enough clarity for the card in question.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

A black light is useful for identifying these types of reprints. The Fro Joy reprints I recently looked at fluoresced brightly under a black light.

http://cycleback.com/photoguide/fourteen.htm

My opinion is that collectors should be unusually careful in purchasing Fro Joy Ruths. People shouldn't be purchasing them from anyone off the street. Personally, I would never state that a Fro Joy was genuine without looking at it under the microscope.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

I'm not sure what type of "ink and paper tests" the seller is talking about. However, if he is talking about the standard tets done in a forensic labratory, the lab cost would have been more than his BIN. Further, you have to physically remove portions of the ink and paper from the card to perform the tests.

I know of one instance where such lab tests were legitimately done on a trading card. That was a case of super rare issue where there was subtantial question of the entire issue's legitimacy.

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

The age of the printing is what is most important. Paper products from that era are relatively cheap and someone could easily apply printing to blank paper to counterfeit cards and claim the paper is from the era.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

You are correct Darren.

As it takes about a few moments to authenticate a Froy Joy without the use of callipers and bunson burners and lab goggles and fire exits, one would be misguided to take one of the cards to a forensic chemistry lab anyway.

A rule of the thumb for eBay sellers is that, if the forensic lab costs required for selling your trading card is going to be 3x higher than your sell price, the way to make the most money is to throw the card in the trash.

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Posted By: dan mckee

This is a blatant fake and I will not post on the board how to tell immediately but if anyone I know wants to know, just write me. dan.