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Old 12-31-2014, 12:16 PM
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WOW, this one is a blast from the past...........I am no longer doing this collection, maybe the current Net 54 collectors can chime in here...........

As far as the Reccius Wagner, it is my belief that it was produced well after the turn of the century and thus does not qualify as a Wagner rookie card.
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Taking the rookie cards on Paul and Lloyd Waner a step further:
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These would qualify as Minor League issues, which I believe are not considered on this list. Otherwise we'd have other examples for Ruth, DiMaggio, et al.
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The 34 Zeenut Joe Dimaggio (batting) is RC, year later Zeenut issue one throwing?
Cal Ripken- should it be the Charlotte O's police card (orange/blue varations)?

BTW- glad i ran across this list as i am doing a run of R/C of major Hofers
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In regards to the original list that started this thread. What a great piece of research! You have that skill to be an historian, not an easy skill to come by. Thanks for documenting this important history!
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The 34 Zeenut Joe Dimaggio (batting) is RC, year later Zeenut issue one throwing?
Cal Ripken- should it be the Charlotte O's police card (orange/blue varations)?

BTW- glad i ran across this list as i am doing a run of R/C of major Hofers
In regards to this comment, I believe the original list is not counting Minor League cards. Hence why the Baltimore Ruth is not listed, the Zeenuts, Chong Modesto Rickey Henderson, etc, etc.
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That's correct, the general consensus among rookie card collectors is that minor league cards represent "Pre-Rookie" Cards as opposed to the first Major League "Rookie" Cards.
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These would qualify as Minor League issues, which I believe are not considered on this list. Otherwise we'd have other examples for Ruth, DiMaggio, et al.
This may have already been stated, but if minor league issues are not supposed to be listed then Griffith and Nichols Old Judge cards should be removed. Beckley should also be backed up to 1889 when he was issued a team change card with Pittsburgh.
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Wow, awesome job as usual, Phil! Will you be putting out an updated version of your book? And I wonder if Lyman at Old Cardboard will be updating their list. I do like that they give several options. Some of the later cards make sense, some don't (like a 1954 topps RC with a 1955 Topps listed as another alternative). I thought they credited you with helping them on that list, which is why I ask.

Anyway, one point on photos. Personally, I consider a widespread issued photo with text, facsimile sigs, etc. to be okay as Rookies, because they were issued as collectibles. As opposed to news photos and other photos that were not issued as collectibles or not issued in large quantities. Not sure if that makes sense.

I also am a little confused why some premiums count but others don't based on size. I'm more open on those. But either way on these two things, it is a great list.

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This may have already been stated, but if minor league issues are not supposed to be listed then Griffith and Nichols Old Judge cards should be removed. Beckley should also be backed up to 1889 when he was issued a team change card with Pittsburgh.
I believe Beckley, Griffith & Nichols are included because the OJ is a major league "set" even though they are depicted still in their minor league garb.
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That's correct, the general consensus among rookie card collectors is that minor league cards represent "Pre-Rookie" Cards as opposed to the first Major League "Rookie" Cards.
I thought the only consensus when it comes to what is a "Rookie Card" is that there is no consensus.
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I love this list. Any way you can update with the newbies?

Also, has there been any discussion about the Reccius Cigars Honus Wagner?
There was a recent thread on the dating of the Reccius Wagner here: Link
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Hey, Mark:

Great to hear from you, hope all is well.

As far as an updated version of my BB HOF RC book, I'm afraid that it will not be happening as I have shifted my focus to Negro League material and have self-published a book on that topic this past year.

Regarding the Old Cardboard website info, it's up to Lyman Hardemann as to updates on the BB HOF RC webpage. Hopefully, that will happen in the near future.
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Just wanted to update this list, including today's newbies. Parallels like OPC, Canadian Leaf, Glossy and Tiffany are not listed. I know we aren't including Minor League sets, but a pre-minor league shout out to John Smoltz 1985 Big League Cards World Junior Baseball Championships. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong on any.



Hank Aaron (1954 Topps/Johnston Cookies)
Grover Alexander (1913 National Game/Tom Barker Game)
Roberto Alomar (1988 Donruss)
Walter Alston (1956 Topps)
Sparky Anderson (1959 Topps)
Cap Anson (1887 Buchner)
Luis Aparicio (1956 Topps)
Luke Appling (1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits)
Richie Ashburn (1949 Bowman)
Earl Averill (1929-30 R315)

Frank Baker (1909-11 T206/Colgan’s Chips/E90-1)
Dave Bancroft (1916 M101-5/Fleischmann Bakery)
Ernie Banks (1954 Topps)
Al Barlick (1955 Bowman)
Ed Barrow (1950-56 Callahan HOF)
Jake Beckley (1888 Old Judge)
Cool Papa Bell (1974 Laughlin)
Johnny Bench (1968 Topps)
Chief Bender (1903 E107)
Yogi Berra (1947 Tip Top Bread/Bond Bread/W602)

Craig Biggio (1988 Fleer Update/Score Rookie Traded)
Bert Blyleven (1971 Topps)
Wade Boggs (1983 Topps/Fleer/Donruss)
Jim Bottomley (1923 Maple Crispette)
Lou Boudreau (1941 Double Play)
Roger Bresnahan (1903 W600)
George Brett (1975 Topps)
Lou Brock (1962 Topps)
Dan Brouthers (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
Mordecai Brown (1904 Allegheny) - Second Card (1904 W600)

Raymond Brown (1945-46 Caramelo Deportivo)
Willard Brown (1948-49 Toleteros)
Morgan Bulkeley (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Jim Bunning (1957 Topps)
Jesse Burkett (1893 Just So Tobacco) - Second Card (1903 W600)
Roy Campanella (1949 Bowman)
Rod Carew (1967 Topps)
Max Carey (1912 T207)
Steve Carlton (1965 Topps)
Gary Carter (1975 Topps)

Alexander Cartwright (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Orlando Cepeda (1958 Topps)
Henry Chadwick (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Frank Chance (1902 W600)
Happy Chandler (1950-56 Callahan HOF)
Oscar Charleston (1923-24 Tomas Gutierrez/Billiken)
Jack Chesbro (1902 W600)
Nestor Chylak (1955 Bowman)
Fred Clarke (1902 W600)
John Clarkson (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Four Base Hits)

Roberto Clemente (1955 Topps)
Ty Cobb (1907 W600/1907-09 Wolverine/Dietsche/Taylor Postcards)
Mickey Cochrane (1926 Spalding)
Eddie Collins (1907 W600)
Jimmy Collins (1903 E107)
Earle Combs (1926 Exhibits)
Charles Comiskey (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen/Lone Jack)
Jocko Conlan (1955 Bowman)
Tom Connolly (1950-56 Callahan HOF)
Roger Connor (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)

Andy Cooper (1923-24 Tomas Gutierrez/Billiken/Nacionales)
Stan Coveleski (1920 W520/W522)
Bobby Cox (1967 Venezuela)
Sam Crawford (1902 W600)
Joe Cronin (1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits)
Candy Cummings (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Kiki Cuyler (1925 Exhibits)
Ray Dandridge (1945-46 Caramelo Deportivo)
George Davis (1894 N142)
Andre Dawson (1977 Topps)

Leon Day (1949-50 Toleteros)
Dizzy Dean (1933 Goudey/George C Miller/Tatoo Orbit)
Ed Delahanty (1889 Old Judge)
Bill Dickey (1931 W502)
Martin Dihigo (1927-28 Mallorquina) - Second Card (1931 Doble Aguila)
Joe DiMaggio (1936 World Wide Gum/R314/R312)
Larry Doby (1949 Leaf/Bowman)
Bobby Doerr (1937 R314)
Barney Dreyfuss (1910 Tip Top Bread)
Don Drysdale (1957 Topps)

Hugh Duffy (1888 Old Judge)
Leo Durocher (1929-30 4-on-1 Exhibits)
Dennis Eckersley (1976 Topps/Hostess/Kellogg’s/SSPC)
Billy Evans (1922 Exhibits)
Johnny Evers (1903 W600)
Buck Ewing (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)
Red Faber (1916 M101-5/4)
Bob Feller (1937 R314/OPC/4-on-1 Exhibits)
Rick Ferrell (1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits) - Second Card (1933 Goudey/Worch Cigars)
Rollie Fingers (1969 Topps)

Carlton Fisk (1972 Topps)
Elmer Flick (1903 E107)
Whitey Ford (1951 Bowman/Berk Ross)
Rube Foster (1974 Laughlin)
Willie Foster (1927-28 Mallorquina) - Second Card (1974 Laughlin)
Nellie Fox (1951 Bowman)
Jimmy Foxx (1925-31 Postcard-Back Exhbits)
Ford Frick (1959 Topps)
Frank Frisch (1920 W519)
Pud Galvin (1887 Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)

Lou Gehrig (1925 Exhibits)
Charlie Gehringer (1926 Exhibits)
Bob Gibson (1959 Topps)
Josh Gibson (1950-51 Toleteros)
Warren Giles (1956 Topps)
Pat Gillick (1997 Canadian HOF)
Tom Glavine (1988 Donruss/Fleer/Score/Topps)
Lefty Gomez (1932 US Caramel)
Joe Gordon (1939-46 Salutation Exhibits)
Goose Goslin (1922 E120/W573)

Rich Gossage (1973 Topps)
Frank Grant (1974 Laughlin)
Hank Greenberg (1934 Goudey)
Clark Griffith (1889 Old Judge)
Burleigh Grimes (1921 Exhibits/Oxford Confectionary)
Lefty Grove (1928 Star Player Candy)
Tony Gwynn (1983 Topps/Fleer/Donruss)
Chick Hafey (1928 Star Player Candy)
Jesse Haines (1921 Exhibits)
Billy Hamilton (1889 Old Judge)

Ned Hanlon (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
William Harridge (1956 Topps)
Bucky Harris (1921 Exhibits)
Gabby Hartnett (1922 E120/W573)
Doug Harvey (1984 Smokey the Bear)
Harry Heilmann (1917 Boston Store/Collins McCarthy/Standard Biscuit/Weil Baking)
Rickey Henderson (1980 Topps)
Bill Herman (1932 Denby Cigars Postcard)
Whitey Herzog (1957 Topps)
Pete Hill (1909 Cabanas) - Second Card (1910 Punch) - Third Card (1974 Laughlin)

Harry Hooper (1909-11 Colgan’s Chips)
Rogers Hornsby (1917 Boston Store/Collins McCarthy/Standard Biscuit/Weil Baking)
Waite Hoyt (1921 E121/Koester Bread)
Cal Hubbard (1955 Bowman)
Carl Hubbell (1929-30 R315)
Miller Huggins (1906 Fan Craze)
William Hulbert (1994 American Archives)
Catfish Hunter (1965 Topps)
Monte Irvin (1948-49 El Indio)
Reggie Jackson (1969 Topps/Milton Bradley)

Travis Jackson (1923 William Paterson)
Fergie Jenkins (1966 Topps)
Hugh Jennings (1894 Alpha Photo Engraving) - Second Card (1902 W600)
Ban Johnson (1906 Fan Craze)
Judy Johnson (1974 Laughlin)
Randy Johnson (1989 Donruss/Fleer/Score/Topps/Upper Deck)
Walter Johnson (1908 Rose Company Postcards)
Addie Joss (1903 E107)
Al Kaline (1954 Topps)
Tim Keefe (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)

Willie Keeler (1902 W600)
George Kell (1947 Tip Top Bread)
Joe Kelley (1894 Alpha Photo Engraving) - Second Card (1902 W600)
George Kelly (1920 W520/W522/W516-1)
King Kelly (1887 Old Judge/Gypsy Queen/Four Base Hits/Buchner)
Harmon Killebrew (1955 Topps)
Ralph Kiner (1947 Tip Top Bread/Bond Bread/W602)
Chuck Klein (1925-31 Postcard-Back Exhibits)
Bill Klem (1922 Exhibits)
Sandy Koufax (1955 Topps)

Bowie Kuhn (1969 Topps Test Issue)
Nap Lajoie (1902 W600)
Kenesaw Landis (1944-52 Albertype HOF Postcards)
Barry Larkin (1986 Sportflics Rookies)
Tony LaRussa (1964 Topps)
Tommy LaSorda (1954 Topps)
Tony Lazzeri (1926 Exhibits/Spalding)
Bob Lemon (1947 Van Patrick Postcards)
Buck Leonard (1974 Laughlin)
Fred Lindstrom (1925-31 W590)

Pop Lloyd (1910 Punch) - Second Card (1923-24 Billiken/Tomas Gutierrez)
Ernie Lombardi (1933 Tatoo Orbit)
Al Lopez (1930 Baguer Chocolate)
Ted Lyons (1924 Diaz Cigarettes)
Connie Mack (1887 Old Judge)
Biz Mackey (1924-25 Aguilitas)
Larry MacPhail (1973-80 TCMA All-Time Greats)
Lee MacPhail (1980-01 Perez Steele HOF Postcards)
Greg Maddux (1987 David Berg/Donruss)
Effa Manley (1996 Negro League Playing Cards)

Mickey Mantle (1951 Bowman)
Heinie Manush (1929 R316 Kashin)
Rabbit Maranville (1912 Boston Daily American Postcards)
Juan Marichal (1961 Topps)
Rube Marquard (1909-11 T206/Colgan’s Chips/E90-1)
Pedro Martinez (1991 Classic III/Upper Deck Final Edition)
Ed Mathews (1952 Topps)
Christy Mathewson (1903 E107)
Willie Mays (1951 Bowman)
Bill Mazeroski (1957 Topps)

Joe McCarthy (1909-11 Colgan’s Chips)
Tommy McCarthy (1887 Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
Willie McCovey (1960 Topps)
Joe McGinnity (1902 W600)
Bill McGowan (1948 Safe-T-Card)
John McGraw (1894 Alpha Photo Engraving) - Second Card (1902 W600)
Bill McKechnie (1912 T207)
Bid McPhee (1888 Old Judge)
Joe Medwick (1933 Worch Cigars)
Jose Mendez (1910 Punch) - Second Card (1923-24 Tomas Gutierrez/Nacionales/Billiken)

Johnny Mize (1936 R312)
Paul Molitor (1978 Topps)
Joe Morgan (1965 Topps)
Eddie Murray (1978 Topps/Kellogg’s/Hostess)
Stan Musial (1946 Sears Cardinals Postcard)
Hal Newhouser (1939-46 Salutation Exhibits)
Kid Nichols (1889 Old Judge)
Phil Niekro (1964 Topps)
Hank O'Day (1887 Old Judge)
Walter O'Malley (1988 Rini Postcards)

Jim O'Rourke (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats/H812)
Mel Ott (1929 R316 Kashin/Leader Novelty Company)
Satchell Paige (1949 Leaf/Bowman)
Jim Palmer (1966 Topps)
Herb Pennock (1921-23 National Caramel)
Tony Perez (1965 Topps)
Gaylord Perry (1962 Topps)
Eddie Plank (1902 W600)
Alex Pompez (2006 Yellow HOF Postcards)
Cum Posey (2006 Yellow HOF Postcards)

Kirby Puckett (1984 Fleer Update)
Charles Radbourne (1886 Red Stocking Cigars)
Pee Wee Reese (1941 Double Play/Play Ball)
Jim Rice (1975 Topps)
Sam Rice (1917 Collins McCarthy/Boston Store/Standard Biscuit/Weil Baking)
Branch Rickey (1914 Cracker Jack)
Cal Ripken Jr. (1982 Topps/Fleer/Donruss)
Eppa Rixey (1916 M101-5/4)
Phil Rizzuto (1941 Double Play)
Robin Roberts (1949 Bowman)

Brooks Robinson (1957 Topps)
Frank Robinson (1956 Kahn’s)
Jackie Robinson (1947 Bond Bread)
Wilbert Robinson (1887 Kalamazoo Bats)
Bullet Rogan (1974 Laughlin)
Edd Roush (1915 Cracker Jack)
Red Ruffing (1924 Diaz Cigarettes)
Jacob Ruppert (1962 Topps)
Amos Rusie (1889 Old Judge)
Babe Ruth (1916 M101-5/4)

Nolan Ryan (1968 Topps)
Ryne Sandberg (1982 Red Lobster)
Ron Santo (1961 Topps)
Louis Santop (1974 Laughlin)
Ray Schalk (1914 Cracker Jack)
Mike Schmidt (1973 Topps)
Red Schoendienst (1946 Sears Cardinals Postcards)
Tom Seaver (1967 Topps)
Frank Selee (1904 Allegheny) - Second Card (1980-01 Perez Steele HOF Postcards)
Joe Sewell (1921-23 National Caramel)

Al Simmons (1923-24 Exhibits)
George Sisler (1916 M101-5/4)
Enos Slaughter (1941 Double Play/W754)
Hilton Smith (1948-49 Toleteros)
Ozzie Smith (1978 Family Fun Center)
John Smoltz (1988 Fleer Update)
Duke Snider (1949 Bowman)
Billy Southworth (1919-21 W514)
Warren Spahn (1947 Tip Top Bread/W602)
Albert Spalding (1888 G & B Chewing Gum) - Second Card (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)

Tris Speaker (1908-09 Rose Company Postcards)
Willie Stargell (1963 Topps)
Turkey Stearnes (1978 Laughlin)
Casey Stengel (1916 M101-5/Fleischmann Bakery)
Bruce Sutter (1977 Topps)
Mule Suttles (1974 Laughlin)
Don Sutton (1966 Topps)
Ben Taylor (1978 Laughlin)
Bill Terry (1925 Exhibits)
Frank Thomas (1990 Bowman/Classic/Leaf/Score/Topps)

Sam Thompson (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
Joe Tinker (1903 W600)
Joe Torre (1962 Post/Topps)
Cristobal Torriente (1923-24 Billiken/Tomas Gutierrez/Nacionales)
Pie Traynor (1922 E120/W573)
Dazzy Vance (1924 Diaz Cigarettes)
Arky Vaughan (1933 Worch Cigars/Goudey)
Bill Veeck (1952 St. Louis Browns Postcards)
Rube Waddell (1902 W600)
Honus Wagner (1902 W600)

Bobby Wallace (1902 W600)
Ed Walsh (1904 W600)
Lloyd Waner (1927 York Caramel)
Paul Waner (1925-31 Postcard-Back Exhibits)
John Ward (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)
Earl Weaver (1969 Topps)
George Weiss (1973-80 TCMA All-Time Greats)
Mickey Welch (1886 N167/H812/N-UNC)
Willie Wells (1974 Laughlin)
Zach Wheat (1909-11 T206)

Deacon White (1887 Buchner)
Sol White (1978 Laughlin)
Hoyt Wilhelm (1952 Topps)
J.L. Wilkinson (2006 Yellow HOF Postcards)
Billy Williams (1961 Topps)
Dick Williams (1952 Topps)
Joe Williams (1974 Laughlin)
Ted Williams (1939 Play Ball/R303A)
Vic Willis (1903 E107)
Hack Wilson (1925 W504)

Jud Wilson (1974 Laughlin)
Dave Winfield (1974 Topps)
George Wright (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Harry Wright (1887 Old Judge)
Early Wynn (1948 Safe-T-Card/Gunther Beer Postcards)
Carl Yastrzemski (1960 Topps)
Tom Yawkey (1959 Ted Williams Set)
Cy Young (1893 Just So Tobacco) - Second Card (1902 W600)
Ross Youngs (1919-21 W514)
Robin Yount (1975 Topps/Hostess)
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I didn't check everyone but the new guys look good to me.
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Alomar is also included in the 1988 Fleer and Score update sets. Not sure if they are not included since the Donruss issue precluded them by several months, but thought I'd bring it up in case you'd like to add them.

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Alomar is also included in the 1988 Fleer and Score update sets. Not sure if they are not included since the Donruss issue precluded them by several months, but thought I'd bring it up in case you'd like to add them.

Thank you for this list!
And 1988 Topps Traded.
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Phil, may I have a copy of this for my own personal use? Before I copy and paste and format, bust seeing if you already have it in excel or word format?

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And 1988 Topps Traded.
I think Phil originally excluded the traded and update sets, if a regular issue was released that year. It makes sense, and would also reduce the amount of Frank Thomases and Greg Madduxes, et al., to have to include here.

In the instance that a player's actual first card in that year was from an update set, i.e. - Kirby Puckett, John Smoltz, Biggio, those are listed.

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Default Jocko Conlon rookie--

I believe that this is Jocko Conlon from his playing days, no?

Would this matchbook qualify as his rookie card?
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Doug:

That would work for one of my other lists "Earliest Collectibles of BB HOF'ers" but not a rookie card list.
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I don't follow "rookie" cards that much in prewar, but why aren't t200 Fatimas not considered a rookie card for some players? For instance Eppa Rixey's rookie is listed as 1916 M101-5/4, yet the t200 is from 1913 predating this listed card by 3 years.

Is it because these are team photos? In which case how many players does it take on a single card to exclude it from "RC" status?
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I don't count team photos. Typically, 4 or less constitutes rookie card status for me, primarily because that was the max number that Topps used over the years for their "future star" cards.

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I understand your rational on the "no more than four" players on a rookie card. Than being said, some of the most rare examples of players featured on cards pre-date the Topps era. And many players first appearance on a card, as a professional, is on a card featuring more than four players.

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You're right, can still be their earliest collectible or even earliest card appearance, just not a rookie card to me.
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....I would add that some pre-war "rookie cards" are much more readily available than the first cards that feature professionals with more than four players on them.
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BTW....I love the list. Thanks!
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Phil,

What an amazing list. Are you willing to share your methodology briefly? Take Dizzy Dean (or anyone else) as an example...how did you go about tracking down their RC? If the answer is "searched personal collection," my hat is definitely off to you!
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Jason:

Personal collection.........I wish!

A number of years ago now, I took my copy of The Standard Catalogue of Baseball Cards and went year by year (starting with the oldest first) filling in on a spreadsheet the earliest card set that each HOF'er appeared on. Of course, there were some adjustments made over the following years but that is how it all started.

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This is a great list! Thanks for sharing and the research that went into it! Anyone on here with more than say 1/2 of the cards listed? Be a fun lifetime project to see what could be put together.
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I believe Beckley, Griffith & Nichols are included because the OJ is a major league "set" even though they are depicted still in their minor league garb.
Not sure I follow. There are more minor league teams than major league teams in OJ set. All Griffith & Nichols OJ cards depict them with minor league teams (Milwaukee & Omaha respectively).
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Donnie:

Before I gave up the quest and sold everything, I was up around 85% complete. My collection was a mix and match though and included many first cards such as minor leagues, team issues, etc. so all of the cards would not match my rookie list but many examples were actually better than the true rookie cards listed.

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Phil,

What an amazing list. Are you willing to share your methodology briefly? Take Dizzy Dean (or anyone else) as an example...how did you go about tracking down their RC? If the answer is "searched personal collection," my hat is definitely off to you!
Phil definitely spent a lot of time on this. Just updating the last 3 years of HOFers took quite some time.

For me, I just Googled, Yahoo, and eBay (current and completed) searched for the players name plus RC, rookie, first card, etc.

I would have never found out about the Bobby Cox Venezuela card otherwise.
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Phil,
Definitely a great list. I copy pasted it on my excel and word documents. I go updating as I cross some of these off my list.

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The "stickers are not cards" thing is silly! People get so freaking wierd about the whole "what is a card" thing. It was distributed with the intent of being collected and the stickers are even roughly "traditional card" sized. Such a silly argument...maybe T3's shouldn't be cards because they are roughly the same size as the Dean's card above (both the same size, they depict baseball players, have advertising on them, and were distributed with the intent of being collected by people...how are they different again?). Caramelo Deportivo cards were meant to be stuck into an album so they are basically stickers, too... better take them off the list! Why be so exclusionary? There exists a collectible item of Mike Schmidt that predates his first Topps card so why would it not be on the list because there is some adhesive on the back? There are many items cataloged in the CARD CATALOG that are fairly large (R309-2, T3's, R311, etc.) I don't really understand why today we get so caught up on the little dstails of what a "card" is.

Some would have you believe that if it isn't between the size of T206 and a Topps Tall-Boy than it isn't a "card" (No exhibits, no postcards, no premiums of any kind like R313, R314, etc.). Also it can't be round (no E254, E270, E286, Dixie Lids, etc.). It can't be too small (no Baguer Chocolates, R423, etc.). It can't be a part of a box (no J=K, E271, Orange Borders, Wheaties cards, etc.). It can't have sticky stuff on back (no "stickers", Topps test issues, etc.). It can't be made of anything other than traditional paper (no coins, pins, Salada, Topps Plaks, etc.). It can't be part of a deck of "game" cards (no Tom Barker, Walter Mails, Allegheny, etc.). and this is the first time I've seen it, but now it can't be one-of-a-kind because you know those don't "really" exist do they? (no Allegheny, 1921 Herpolsheimers, etc., etc.).

If you are cool with collecting Only Topps, Bowman, and maybe some T206's then those are great rules BUT if you want to collect the earliest known CARD (insert the most liberal interpretation of "card") then that is a list that would be of some use to the collecting world.

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Don't forget all those Zeenuts that predate the cards on the list. Gotta be a dozen or more HOFers there. And the 1928 Exhibit PCL Earl Averill. And team issued mail reply cards and PCs. 1949 Philadelphia Bulletin Ashburn and Nellie Fox. And the 1958 Bob Gibson minor league card. Modesto A's Rickey Henderson. San Berdoo Junior [next year]. Rochester [?] Ripken. Baltimore Lefty Grove. 1956 Frank Robinson. 1947 Brooklyn Dodgers team issue PC Drysdale. Come to think of it, the more you exclude the more fun this can be! We could literally build an entire parallel list of cards of HOFers that predate the 'rookie' cards on the list.
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Adam:

Since you asked for it, the below list came from another thread of mine on Net 54. It should cover most of what you are looking for. I also included sportswriters and broadcasters as an added bonus.

Earliest Collectibles of Baseball Hall of Famers

1952 Hank Aaron (Indianapolis Clowns P/C)
1911 Grover Alexander (M101-2)
1987 Roberto Alomar (Wichita Minor League)
1937 Walter Alston (Rochester Team Premium)
1958 Sparky Anderson (LaPresse)
1868 Cap Anson (Marshalltown Team Photo) courtesy of Corey S. & Kevin S.
1953 Luis Aparicio (Venezuelan League)
1931 Luke Appling (4-on-1 Exhibits)
1948 Richie Ashburn (Philadelphia Bulletin/M114)
1926 Earl Averill (Zeenuts)

1908 Frank Baker (Reading Team P/C)
1909 Dave Bancroft (Superior RPPC)
1954 Ernie Banks (Topps/All-Star Photo Pack)
1955 Al Barlick (Bowman)
1896 Ed Barrow (Paterson Team Cabinet)
1887 Jake Beckley (Lincoln Team Cabinet) courtesy of Clint
1926 Cool Papa Bell (St. Louis Stars Team P/C)
1967 Johnny Bench (Cincinnati Team Issue)
1903 Chief Bender (E107/W600)

1946 Yogi Berra (Newark Team Photo)
1970 Bert Blyleven (Minnesota Team Issue)
1981 Wade Boggs (TCMA - Pawtucket)
1921 Jim Bottomley (Packers Team Photo)
1941 Lou Boudreau (Double Play)
1903 Roger Bresnahan (W600)
1971 George Brett (Billings Team Premium)
1962 Lou Brock (Topps)

1879 Dan Brouthers (NY Clipper Woodcut)
1901 Mordecai Brown (Terre-Haute Team Composite)
1935 Raymond Brown (Negro League Broadside)
1935 Willard Brown (KC Monarchs Team Photo)
1880's Morgan Bulkeley (Matthew Brady Cabinet)
1956 Jim Bunning (Mariano Team Photo)
1890 Jesse Burkett (Sporting Times - Giants Team Supplement)
1943 Roy Campanella (Mexican League Team P/C)

1965 Rod Carew (Orlando Team Photo Premium)
1908 Max Carey (Concordia Team Cabinet)
1965 Steve Carlton (Topps/St. Louis Team Issue)
1975 Gary Carter (Topps/TCMA IL All-Stars)
1840's Alexander Cartwright (Knickerbockers Team Dag Photo) courtesy of Barry S.
1955 Orlando Cepeda (Salem Team Photo)
1861 Henry Chadwick (St. George's Team Photo) courtesy of Barry S.

1898 Frank Chance (Chicago Team Photo Premium)
1949 Happy Chandler (Eureka)
1914 Oscar Charleston (US Military Team P/C)
1895 Jack Chesbro (Springfield Team Photo Supplement)
1955 Nestor Chylak (Bowman)
1898 Fred Clarke (Louisville Cabinet Card)
1885 John Clarkson (Harper's Weekly Chicago Team Photo Woodcut)
1952 Roberto Clemente (Santurce Team Composite)
1905 Ty Cobb (W601 - Detroit Team Composite Premium)
1924 Mickey Cochrane (Zeenuts)

1907 Eddie Collins (W600)
1893 Jimmy Collins (Buffalo Team Photo Cabinet)
1922 Earle Combs (Louisville Team Photo)
1879 Charles Comiskey (Dubuque Team Cabinet) courtesy of Jay M.
1931 Jocko Conlan (LaPresse)
1950 Tom Connolly (Callahan HOF)
1879 Roger Connor (NY Clipper Woodcuts)
1923 Andy Cooper (Tomas Gutierrez/Nacionales)
1909 Stan Coveleski (Lancaster Team P/C)

1899 Sam Crawford (Chatham Team Cabinet) courtesy of Clint
1931 Joe Cronin (Washington Team Issue/4-on-1 Exhibits)
1873 Candy Cummings (Baltimore Team Composite) courtesy of Corey S.
1924 Kiki Cuyler (M114)
1944 Ray Dandridge (Mexican League Premium)
1890 George Davis (Ryder Studio Cabinet/Sporting Life Cleveland Team Woodcut)
1977 Andre Dawson (Topps/Montreal Team Issue Photo)
1935 Leon Day (Negro League Broadside)
1929 Dizzy Dean (San Antonio Team Composite Premium)
1889 Ed Delahanty (N172/MacIntire Studios Cabinet)

1931 Bill Dickey (W502/4-on-1 Exhibits)
1927 Martin Dihigo (Mallorquina)
1934 Joe DiMaggio (Zeenuts)
1946 Larry Doby (Newark Eagles X-Mas Card)
1937 Bobby Doerr (Goudey Wide-Pen Premiums)
1902 Barney Dreyfuss (Pittsburgh Gazette Supplement)
1955 Don Drysdale (Montreal Team Photo Premium)
1887 Hugh Duffy (Lowell Team Cabinet) courtesy of Jay M.
1929 Leo Durocher (4-on-1 Exhibits)

1976 Dennis Eckersley (Topps/SSPC)
1910 Billy Evans (M101-2)
1903 Johnny Evers (W600)
1885 Buck Ewing (Harper's Weekly Woodcuts)
1914 Red Faber (Chicago Team P/C)
1936 Bob Feller (Boston American Stamps/Press Photo)
1931 Rick Ferrell (4-on-1 Exhibits)
1967 Rollie Fingers (Birmingham Team Photo)

1968 Carlton Fisk (Waterloo Team Photo) courtesy of Tony S.
1899 Elmer Flick (M101-1)
1951 Whitey Ford (Bowman/Berk Ross)
1909 Rube Foster (Leland Team P/C)
1927 Willie Foster (Mallorquina)
1945 Nellie Fox (Lancaster Team Photo)
1925 Jimmy Foxx (Exhibits P/C Backs)
1949 Ford Frick (Eureka)
1920 Frank Frisch (W519)

1879 Pud Galvin (Buffalo Team Photo Trade Card)
1922 Lou Gehrig (Hartford Team Photo)
1926 Charlie Gehringer (Exhibits)
1957 Bob Gibson (Columbus Team Photo Premium)
1928 Josh Gibson (Pittsburgh Crawfords Team Photo)
1956 Warren Giles (Topps)
1962 Pat Gillick (Elmira Team Photo) courtesy of Jodi B.
1929 Lefty Gomez (Zeenuts)
1938 Joe Gordon (Newark Team Photo)

1922 Goose Goslin (E120)
1972 Rich Gossage (Puerto Rican League Sticker)
1887 Frank Grant (Buffalo Team Cabinet)
1934 Hank Greenberg (Goudey/Batter-Up/Diamond Stars)
1889 Clark Griffith (N172)
1920 Burleigh Grimes (M114)
1921 Lefty Grove (Tip Top Bread/Baltimore Team Panorama)
1982 Tony Gwynn (TCMA - Hawaii)
1926 Chick Hafey (St. Louis Cardinals Team P/C)

1916 Jesse Haines (Springfield Team Panorama)
1889 Billy Hamilton (N172)
1879 Ned Hanlon (Albany Team Cabinet)
1956 William Harridge (Topps)
1921 Bucky Harris (Exhibits)
1922 Gabby Hartnett (E120/W573)
1984 Doug Harvey (Smokey the Bear Padres)
1913 Harry Heilmann (Zeenuts)

1977 Rickey Henderson (Chong - Modesto A's)
1929 Bill Herman (Louiville Team Photo)
1957 Whitey Herzog (Topps/Washington Team Issue)
1909 Pete Hill (Cabanas)
1907 Harry Hooper (St. Mary's P/C)
1915 Rogers Hornsby (Denison Team P/C)
1921 Waite Hoyt (American Caramel)
1955 Cal Hubbard (Bowman)

1926 Carl Hubbell (Toronto Team Panorama)
1904 Miller Huggins (W601)
1889 William Hulbert (Spalding Baseball Guide)
1965 Catfish Hunter (Topps/Athletics Team Issue Photo)
1948 Monte Irvin (El Indio)
1967 Reggie Jackson (Birmingham Team Photo)
1923 Travis Jackson (William Paterson/M114 NY Giants Team Premium)
1966 Fergie Jenkins (Topps/Chicago Team Issue)
1894 Hugh Jennings (Alpha Photo Engraving)

1903 Ban Johnson (Horner American League Composite)
1921 Judy Johnson (Original Cabinet Photo) courtesy of D. Granger
1907 Walter Johnson (Weisner Cabinet) courtesy of Jeff Prizner
1903 Addie Joss (E107/W600)
1954 Al Kaline (Topps/All-Star Photo Pack)
1879 Tim Keefe (New York Clipper Woodcut)
1892 Willie Keeler (Binghamton Team Cabinet)
1945 George Kell (Philadelphia Team Photo Pack)
1894 Joe Kelley (Alpha Photo Engraving)

1914 George Kelly (Spokane Team Photo P/C)
1879 King Kelly (1879 New York Clipper Woodcut)
1955 Harmon Killebrew (Topps/Topps Double Headers)
1941 Ralph Kiner (Albany Team Photo)
1925 Chuck Klein (Exhibit P/C Backs)
1910 Bill Klem (M101-2)
1955 Sandy Koufax (Topps/Golden Stamps)
1969 Bowie Kuhn (Topps Promo)

1897 Nap Lajoie (Leslie's Illustrated)
1916 Kenesaw Landis (Hartford Team Photo)
1986 Barry Larkin (Sportsflics Update)
1950 Tommy LaSorda (Big League Stars)
1922 Tony Lazzeri (Zeenuts)
1946 Bob Lemon (Cleveland Team Photo P/C)
1935 Buck Leonard (Negro League Broadside)
1924 Fred Lindstrom (M114 - Giants Team Photo Premium)
1910 Pop Lloyd (Punch)
1927 Ernie Lombardi (Oakland Team Photo)

1930 Al Lopez (Baguer Chocolates)
1924 Ted Lyons (Diaz Cigarettes)
1887 Connie Mack (N172)
1924 Biz Mackey (Aguilitas)
1947 Larry MacPhail (True Comics)
1981 Lee MacPhail (Perez Steele HOF P/C)
1996 Effa Manley (Negro League Playing Cards)
1948 Mickey Mantle (Independence Team Panorama)
1923 Heinie Manush (Tomas Gutierrez - Detroit Team Composite)
1912 Rabbit Maranville (Boston P/C)

1960 Juan Marichal (Tacoma Giants)
1907 Rube Marquard (Canton Team P/C)
1950 Ed Mathews (Atlanta Team Photo)
1901 Christy Mathewson (Police Gazette Supplements)
1951 Willie Mays (Bowman/M114)
1956 Bill Mazeroski (Pittsburgh Team Photo Pack)
1909 Joe McCarthy (E254)
1887 Tommy McCarthy (N172)
1960 Willie McCovey (Topps/Jay Publishing)

1899 Joe McGinnity (M101-1)
1948 Bill McGowan (Umpire School P/C)
1894 John McGraw (Alpha Photo Engraving)
1906 Bill McKechnie (Washington Team P/C)
1885 Bid McPhee (Cincinnati Team Cabinet) courtesy of Gary P.
1933 Joe Medwick (Worch Cigars)
1910 Jose Mendez (Punch)
1933 Johnny Mize (Greensboro Team Photo)

1978 Paul Molitor (Topps)
1965 Joe Morgan (Topps/Houston Team Issue Photo)
1977 Eddie Murray (Baltimore Team Photo Pack)
1941 Stan Musial (Rochester Team Premium)
1939 Hal Newhouser (Salutation Exhibits)
1889 Kid Nichols (N172)

1964 Phil Niekro (Topps)
1966 Walter O'Malley (LA Dodgers Record Covers)
1871 Jim O'Rourke (Stratford Osceolas Team Photo) courtesy of Paul C.
1929 Mel Ott (Kashin/4-on-1 Exhibits)
1932 Satchell Paige (Pittsburgh Crawfords P/C)
1964 Jim Palmer (Aberdeen Team Photo Premium)
1921 Herb Pennock (E220)
1963 Tony Perez (San Diego Team Issue)
1961 Gaylord Perry (Tacoma Bank)

1902 Eddie Plank (W600)
1922 Alex Pompez (NY Cubans Team Photo)
1931 Cum Posey (Homestead Grays P/C)
1983 Kirby Puckett (Larry Fritsch - Visalia)
1879 Charles Radbourne (Dubuque Team Cabinet) courtesy of Jay M.
1939 Pee Wee Reese (Louisville Team Photo Premium)

1973 Jim Rice (Venezuelan League Sticker)
1917 Sam Rice (Boston Store/Collins McCarthy/Standard Biscuit)
1906 Branch Rickey (W601 St. Louis P/C)
1980 Cal Ripken Jr. (Charlotte - Police)
1913 Eppa Rixey (T200 - Philadelphia)
1939 Phil Rizzuto (Kansas City Team Photo Premium)
1948 Robin Roberts (Philadelphia Bulletin)
1955 Brooks Robinson (Baltimore Team Issue)
1953 Frank Robinson (Butte Team Photo)
1946 Jackie Robinson (Parade Sportive)

1887 Wilbert Robinson (Kalamazoo Bats)
1916 Bullet Rogan (25th Infantry Panorama)
1909 Edd Roush (Oakland City Team Photo P/C)
1924 Red Ruffing (Diaz Cigarettes)
1889 Amos Rusie (N172)
1914 Babe Ruth (Baltimore News/Baltimore Orioles Team Photo/Providence Team Photo)
1968 Nolan Ryan (Topps)
1980 Ryne Sandberg (TCMA - Reading)
1961 Ron Santo (Topps/Manny's BB Land)

1911 Louis Santop (Lincoln Giants Team P/C)
1913 Ray Schalk (M101-2)
1971 Mike Schmidt (Reading Team Premium)
1945 Red Schoendienst (M114)
1967 Tom Seaver (Topps/Mets Team Issue P/C)
1887 Frank Selee (Oshkosh Team Cabinet)
1920 Joe Sewell (Cleveland Team Photo P/C)
1923 Al Simmons (Exhibits)

1916 George Sisler (M101-5/BF2 Ferguson Pennants)
1937 Enos Slaughter (Columbus Team Photo Premium)
1935 Hilton Smith (Bismarck Team Photo P/C)
1978 Ozzie Smith (Family Fun Center)
1946 Duke Snider (Fort Worth Team Photo)
1912 Billy Southworth (Portsmouth Team Photo)
1946 Warren Spahn (W602)
1867 Albert Spalding (Rockford CDV) courtesy of Gary P.
1908 Tris Speaker (Little Rock Team P/C)

1963 Willie Stargell (Topps/IDL Drugs)
1920 Turkey Stearnes (California League Photo)
1910 Casey Stengel (T210)
1976 Bruce Sutter (Chicago Tribune)
1926 Mule Suttles (St. Louis Stars Team Photo P/C)
1965 Don Sutton (Albuquerque Team Photo)
1916 Ben Taylor (Indianapolis Team Cabinet)
1923 Bill Terry (M114 - NY Giants Team Photo Premium)

1884 Sam Thompson (Evansville Photo) courtesy of Joe G.
1902 Joe Tinker (W600)
1923 Cristobal Torriente (Tomas Gutierrez/Billiken)
1922 Pie Traynor (E120)
1912 Dazzy Vance (Superior Team P/C) courtesy of Dan B.
1933 Arky Vaughan (Goudey/Worch Cigars)
1946 Bill Veeck (Cleveland Team Photo P/C)
1899 Rube Waddell (M101-1)
1895 Honus Wagner (Warren Team Imperial Cabinet)

1899 Bobby Wallace (M101-1)
1904 Ed Walsh (W600)
1925 Lloyd Waner (Zeenuts)
1923 Paul Waner (Zeenuts)
1879 John Ward (New York Clipper Woodcuts)
1950 Earl Weaver (Winston-Salem Team Issue)
1920 George Weiss (New Haven Team Cabinet)
1879 Mickey Welch (New York Clipper Woodcuts)
1925 Willie Wells (St. Louis Stars P/C)
1900's Zach Wheat (Original Cabinet Card)

1884 Sol White (Bellaire Globe Team Photo) courtesy of Kenny C.
1950 Hoyt Wilhelm (Fosforos)
1910 J.L. Wilkinson (Hopkins Team Photo P/C)
1961 Billy Williams (Topps/Topps Stamps)
1950 Dick Williams (Almendares Team Premium)
1914 Joe Williams (NY Lincoln Giants Team Photo)
1937 Ted Williams (San Diego Team Premium)
1899 Vic Willis (M101-1)
1922 Hack Wilson (Martinsburg Team Photo P/C)
1933 Jud Wilson (Philadelphia Stars P/C)

1973 Dave Winfield (Dean's Photo Service)
1863 George Wright (Photographic Studio CDV)
1859 Harry Wright (Knickerbockers/Excelsiors Teams Photo) courtesy of Barry S.
1943 Early Wynn (M114)
1960 Carl Yastrzemski (Topps/Minneapolis Team Photo Premium)
1959 Tom Yawkey (Fleer - Ted Williams)
1890 Cy Young (Ryder Studio Cabinet/Rogers Studio Cabinet)
1917 Ross Youngs (M114 - NY Giants Team Photo Premium/NY Giants Team P/C) courtesy of Matt
1974 Robin Yount (Big Boy's Team Photo Premium)


Please find below, a listing of the earliest collectibles of the Sportswriters & Broadcasters recognized by the Baseball Hall of Fame as Spink Award Winners & Frick Award Winners.

1949 Mel Allen (NY Yankees Photo Pack)
1951 Red Barber (Dodgers Broadcasters P/C)
1993 Marty Brennaman (Kahn's)
1953 Jack Brickhouse (Bob Feller's Baseball Broadcasters)
1922 Heywood Broun (Original Photo)
1989 Jack Buck (Pro Set)
1940's Buck Canel (Press Photo)
1949 Harry Caray (Sunday Morning Baseball League Broadside)
1942 John Carmichael (Who's Who in Baseball Photo)
1973 Herb Carneal (Minnesota Twins Yearbook Photo)

1949 Jerry *Coleman (NY Yankees Photo Pack)
1952 Jimmy Dudley (Broadcasters P/C)
1938 Bob Elson (Baseball Dope Book Photo)
2006 Gene Elston (Frick Award Winner Photo)
1988 Hugh Fullerton (Eight Men Out)
1993 Peter Gammons (ESPN Press Photo)
1946 Joe *Garagiola (M114 - St. Louis Team Photo Premium)
1950's Curt Gowdy (Broadcasters P/C)
1970 Milo Hamilton (Atlanta Team Issue Photo)
1953 Ernie Harwell (Bob Feller's Baseball Broadcasters)

1953 Russ Hodges (Bob Feller's Baseball Broadcasters)
2009 Jerome Holtzman (Jewish Baseball Update)
1998 Jaime Jarrin (LA Dodgers Team Issue Photo)
1984 Harry Kalas (Tastykake Phillies)
1952 John Kieran (Press Photo)
1957 Tony *Kubek (Topps/Yankees Team Photo Pack)
1925 Ring Lardner (Biography Photo)
2007 Denny Matthews (KC Royals Team Issue Photo)
1953 Arch McDonald (Bob Feller's Baseball Broadcasters)
2004 Jon Miller (Fleer Announcing Greats)

1879 Tim *Murnane (New York Clipper Woodcut)
1988 Bob Murphy (Rini P/C)
1959 Lindsey Nelson (Phillies Cigars)
1995 Dave Niehaus (Seattle Team Issue)
1941 Buck *O'Neil (KC Monarchs Team Photo Broadside)
1953 Bob Prince (Bob Feller's Baseball Broadcasters)
1951 Felo Ramirez (Press Photo)
1990 Joe Riechler (Little Sun)
1952 Grantland Rice (NFL Poster)
1915 Damon Runyon (Pittsburgh Post - Green Sheet)

1959 By Saam (Phillies Cigars)
1951 Vin Scully (Dodgers Broadcaster's P/C)
1999 Lon Simmons (Keebler)
1985 W. Red Smith (Life Magazine)
1952 J.G. Taylor Spink (Press Photo)
2004 Chuck Thompson (Baltimore Lottery)
1962 Bob *Uecker (Topps)
1957 Bob Wolff (Press Photo)
1990 Dick Young (Little Sun)
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Phil - I've always preferred the "earliest collectible" list over the "rookie" list...thanks for re-posting. I seem to recall another where the team premiums, etc. are excluded. But perhaps we just need three or four parallel lists (by player) so people can define their "checklist" as they see fit.
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Just a bump to thank you, Phil, for your great research.

I'm also doing this for those who are unaware of this list; for me, it's a great reference.

And a Happy New Year to all!

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+1 ! Phil is a pioneer/legend for all the HOF rookie card collectors out there...he definitely deserves a HUGE shout-out! If only that torch hadn't burnt out during the transition to Negro League / Ice Cream memorabilia...
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Phil: I appreciate the list. Your a true hobby man. Sharing data is so unselfish. Thanks.
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Not to nitpick, but I disagree with the Walter Johnson listing of the Weiser cabinet as his "rookie card." To me, this is a mounted photograph, not a card. Not sure what his rookie card would be, maybe the American Caramel, I'll leave that to the card experts. I just don't see a one-of-a-kind photo of a baseball player as being a baseball card, that's all.
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Default Buck Leonard postcard--

Hi Phil.

I recently bought this Buck Leonard on Net54.
It was described as a "1960's Jim Rowe Postcard, wearing 1958 Durango uniform [autographed]."

May I take it that this is an artifact/that such postcards are not designated as cards?

Thanks.

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Not to nitpick, but I disagree with the Walter Johnson listing of the Weiser cabinet as his "rookie card." To me, this is a mounted photograph, not a card. Not sure what his rookie card would be, maybe the American Caramel, I'll leave that to the card experts. I just don't see a one-of-a-kind photo of a baseball player as being a baseball card, that's all.
I think that Johnson's Rose Co. Postcard is now considered his rookie card (if one includes postcards). It was definitely issued in 1908.

I think that both Johnson's Weiser Wonder cabinet and postcard are referred to as his "pre-rookie" cards.

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Guys, don't I have the Rose Comapny P/C listed as WaJo's rookie card in my first post of this thread?

I agree with Kevin S.

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I would treat that Buck Leonard postcard as a real photo postcard, unless it's part of a catalogued set, I would not use it as a rookie card. It's not the postcard designation itself, it's more the uniqueness as well as the lack of dates of issue and the fact that those were produced over many years. I would consider those Rowe postcards more like a collector's issue set, kind of like Broder's sets from the 70's and '80's.
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Guys, don't I have the Rose Comapny P/C listed as WaJo's rookie card in my first post of this thread?

I agree with Kevin S.
Phil - you do. I was just responding to Hank's post concerning the Weiser PC and his asking about the E91 American Caramel issue.
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Guys, don't I have the Rose Comapny P/C listed as WaJo's rookie card in my first post of this thread?

I agree with Kevin S.
I was just responding to your post of the 13th. On the Weiser postcards, I don't believe any were issued until several years after he had left Weiser. If the Rose set was issued in 1908, that would certainly qualify as a rookie card since there wasn't time for any 1907 issues. Perhaps the American Caramel was also from 1908, but as I said I'm no expert on that.
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It seems like rookie HOF status always goes back to definitions of a "card"....or how it was distributed, was it a part of a series etc.....

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I was just responding to your post of the 13th. On the Weiser postcards, I don't believe any were issued until several years after he had left Weiser. If the Rose set was issued in 1908, that would certainly qualify as a rookie card since there wasn't time for any 1907 issues. Perhaps the American Caramel was also from 1908, but as I said I'm no expert on that.
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It seems like rookie HOF status always goes back to definitions of a "card"....or how it was distributed, was it a part of a series etc.....
There is that debate, certainly. To me, it's what they used to say about obscenity: "you know it when you see it." Just speaking personally, I don't think it needs to be part of a series, and I don't see why a postcard back should disqualify, but I also understand the arguments against those. In the case of a mounted photograph, to me that can only be categorized as a mounted photograph.
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