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Old 03-08-2016, 09:54 AM
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Default Try arranging your T206 set with respect to its various Series..150..350..460, etc.

Most T206 set collectors arrange their cards in alphabetical order. And, some collectors have them arranged by teams. I prefer to
arrange my T206's according to their Series (150..350..460). This way, I gain more insight into how they were printed and issued.

PIEDMONT tobacco was the American Tobacco Company's "flagship" brand in the early 1900's. All 522 subjects in the T206 set are
found with the PIEDMONT brand. Furthermore, large surveys have indicated that 53% of the T206 population are PIEDMONT cards.

Let's start with the 150 Series from my 99.6 % complete (minus Plank and Wagner) all-PIEDMONT set of 520 cards (it includes the
"poor-man's" Joe Doyle error card).


PIEDMONT 150-only series (14 subjects)

Ames (hands at chest)
M. Brown (Cubs)
G. Brown(e) (Chicago)
Burch (batting)
Donlin (fielding)
Larry Doyle (throwing)
Evers (Cubs-batting)
Magie
Pattee
Pelty (horizontal)
Plank
Powers
Reulbach (glove)
Honus Wagner


150/350 series (142 subjects)

Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ball (New York)
Bates
Beaumont
Bell (hands above head)
Bender (portrait)
Bergen (batting)
Birmingham
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (portrait - no cap)
M. Brown (Portrait)
Camnitz (arms folded)
Chance (portrait - red)
Chase (portrait - pink)
Chase (white cap)

Chesbro
Cicotte
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (holding bat)
J.J. Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait - green)
Cobb (bat on shoulder)
Conroy (fielding)
Covaleski
Crandall (portrait - no cap)
Crawford (throwing)
Criger
Criss
Dahlen (Boston)
George Davis (Chicago)
H. Davis (A's)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Donlin (seated)
Donohue

Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolin
Dougherty (portrait)
Durham
Elberfeld (portrait -New York)
Evers (portrait)
Ewing
Ferris
Flick
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Griffith (portrait)
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Isbell

Jacklitsch
Jennings (portrait)
Johnson (portrait)
T. Jones (St. Louis)
F. Jones (portrait)
F. Jones (hands on hips)
T. Jordan (portrait)
Joss (portrait)
Karger
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (batting)
Killian (pitching)
Kleinow (batting)
Kling
Konetchy (glove high)
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Leifield (pitching)

Liebhardt
Lindaman
Lobert
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Magee (portrait)
Manning (batting)
Marquard (hands at thighs)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (white cap)
McGraw (portrait - no cap)
McGraw (finger in air)
Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (portrait)
Mullin (throwing)
Murphy (throwing)
Nicholls
Niles
Oldring (fielding)

O’Leary (portrait)
Overall (portrait)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Powell
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Schaefer (Detroit)
Schlei (catching)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (front view)
Seymour (batting)
Shaw (St. Louis)
Sheckard (no glove)
Shipke
F. Smith (Chicago)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (no glove)

Steinfeldt (portrait)
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Sullivan
L. Tannehill
Tenney
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands on knees)
Turner
Waddell (portrait)
Waddell (throwing)
Wagner (bat on left)
Wallace
Walsh
Weimer
Doc White (portrait)
Wilhelm (hands at chest)
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Wiltse (portrait - no cap)

CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)



Illustrated here are the 12 tobacco brands that were printed on the T206 subjects in the 150 Series............







The 350-only series will follow in the next thread.



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Old 03-08-2016, 09:59 AM
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Default Try arranging your T206 set with respect to its various Series..150..350..460, etc.

350-only series......129 Major League subjects + 86 Minor League subjects

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss

Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
G. Brown (Washington)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Byrne
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)

Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minneapolis)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Cross
Dahlen (portrait--Brooklyn)
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (New York)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)

Downs
Joe Doyle N.Y. Nat'l
Joe Doyle N.Y.
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (portrait--Washington)
Engle
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme

Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Grimshaw
Groom
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)

Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Kleinow (catching--New York)
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
Laporte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox

Livingstone
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGann
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
McLean

Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mowrey
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Nichols
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien

O'Hara (New York)
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter

Rossman
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
F. Smith (white cap)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)

Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman



Illustrated here are the 14 tobacco brands that were printed on the T206 subjects in the 350 Series............








The 350/460 series will follow in the next thread.



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Old 03-08-2016, 10:09 AM
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Default Try arranging your T206 set with respect to its various Series..150..350..460, etc.

350/460 series (57 subjects)

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)

Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)

Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


Note
The 6 super-prints are also part of this 350/460 series......

Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Mathewson (dark cap)



Illustrated here are the 22 tobacco brands that were printed on the T206 subjects in the 350/460 Series............


460-type backs





.......................... Factory #42 ........................




350-type backs








The 460-only series will follow in the next thread.



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Old 03-08-2016, 11:14 AM
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Default Try arranging your T206 set with respect to its various Series..150..350..460, etc.

460-only series (46 subjects)

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands in air)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (hands above head)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist)

Hummell
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)




Illustrated here are the 16 tobacco brands that were printed on the T206 subjects in the 460-only Series............


..... Factory #25 .....

.... Factory #30 ....... Factory #42 ........... Factory #42 .....



.
......................... Factory #42 ....................



The only red HINDU cards in the 460-only series are the "Exclusive 12"............





The Southern League series will follow in the next thread.


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Southern League series (48 subjects with PIEDMONT 350 backs)

Bastian
Bay
Bernhard
Breitenstein
Carey
Coles
Cranston
Ellam
Foster
Fritz
Greminger
Guiheen
Hart (Little Rock)
Hart (Montgomery)
Helm
Hickman
Hooker
Howard
Jordan (Atlanta)
Kiernan

King
Lafitte
Lentz
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Miller (Dallas)
Molesworth
Mullaney
Orth
Otey
Paige
Perdue
Persons
Reagan
Revelle
Rockenfeld
Ryan
Seitz
Shaughnessy

Smith (Atlanta)
Smith (Shreveport)
Stark
Thebo
Thornton
Violat
Westlake
White (Houston)










That's All Folks !

520-card PIEDMONT set complete.



There are numerous ways to collect T206's......so, why not show and/or tell us how you have your T206 set (or cards) arranged ?


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Nice work Ted, thanks for sharing. I have a question . I completed the known backs of a Lumley back run. Lumley is a 150 series card, is there a reason as to why he does not have a Sov350 or a SC Overprint? Were they probably printed but none found, or is this a common occurrence?
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Great idea Ted, but my wife likes the "heart" arrangement I did several weeks ago for Valentines Day and she won't let me touch it.
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Nice work Ted, thanks for sharing. I have a question . I completed the known backs of a Lumley back run. Lumley is a 150 series card, is there a reason as to why he does not have a Sov350 or a SC Overprint? Were they probably printed but none found, or is this a common occurrence?

Hi Donnie

Lumley is one of approx. 55 - 150/350 series subjects that are SOVEREIGN 350 no-prints. I would be quite surprised if you ever find Lumley with this back.

Regarding the SWEET CAP 150 Factory #649 overprint, the cards printed with this overprint were originally on SC Factory #30 sheets printed early in the
press runs. You definitely will not find Lumley with this overprint.


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Hi Ted

Since I'm building a set slightly different than others, here is how I have my set arranged.

1 box - Southern Leaguers
2 boxes - Polar Bears
2 boxes - All the other cards/backs to my set

I have to keep my Polar Bears separate to avoid any confusion. The same rule applies with my checklists. Two separate checklists, one for Polar Bears and the other checklist for the rest of the non-Polar Bear back subjects.

I guess I'm a glutton for self inflicted punishment.
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Ted,

Thanks for sharing your knowledge -

Have you ever lined up the 68 1910 Coupons and cross referenced the 20 SLer's to see if any pattern emerges? Just curious if there is any trends with respect to the 48/20 Coupon Type 1's to the 150/350 series, Hindu SLer's, etc.

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Thanks for sharing your knowledge -

Have you ever lined up the 68 1910 Coupons and cross referenced the 20 SLer's to see if any pattern emerges? Just curious if there is any trends with respect to the 48/20 Coupon Type 1's to the 150/350 series, Hindu SLer's, etc.

Keep it Classy,

JJ

Hi Jeremy....here you go, see if this works for you.

The Major Leaguers....my theory is that American Litho (ALC) was in the midst of press runs (circa early Spring of 1910) producing the 48 - T206's shown here.
Concurrent with these T206 press runs, ALC also printed these 48 guys on thinner cardboard stock** for the limited production of the 1910 COUPON issue.


Major Leaguers (48 subjects)






Southern Association (20 subjects)

Concurrent with the above press runs, ALC was also printing sheets of the Southern Leaguers for their PIEDMONT 350 press runs. During this process, ALC also
printed (on thinner stock) the 20 subjects of the Southern Association needed for the 1910 COUPON issue.







** NOTE
The reason for the "thinner cardboard stock" was because the 1910 COUPON cards were not intended to serve as Cigarette pack stiffeners.
This appears to be a valid theory since no such packs labelled "COUPON" Cigarettes have ever been found. And, I don't think they exist.


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Ted,
Thanks for your thoughts. Those 68 can easily be run in a 150 / 350 series print run, so it's entirely plausible, that they changed the card stock when printing those 48 / 20 for the Coupons Type 1's. I think about this... We know those cards were made in 1910. So there was a reason they were made, and we know they were distributed in the deep South, most likely out of the Irby Branch in New Orleans, La. area (See Postcard of New Orleans Retailer with scores of Coupon Boxes which I think contained 5 cartons of Coupon 100's cigarettes) So, discerning why there was thin card stock could be multiple reasons, but I am warming up to your theory of them simply putting a type 1 coupon on the horizontal end of the Coupon Carton. My Carton has a shadow where something the size of a Coupon card was residing, and it probably was taped on there as you suggested, and with the scores of Coupons found with missing paper at the top middle, but the rest of the card is in really good shape, makes me really start buying into the limited production theory of these cards were distributed in a limited fashion in location (Deep South) and distributed in limited fashion upon marketing/release. (Instead of packs, they were on Cartons) - Your ATC theory is an interesting one. We may be in the right direction on the Coupons, so more time is needed to help prove the theory right or wrong. Thnx for your contribution!
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Jeremy

In Post #37 of your recent thread "Love me some paper thin (T213-1) Coupons" you show your long carton with the "spot" (upper right corner)
that clearly coincides with the paper loss on the backs of many of the 1910 COUPON cards. Please post this scan again......thanks.

Also, the 48 cards of the Major Leaguers were derived from ALC's print runs during their 350-only series (early Spring of 1910).


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Hi Ted

Since I'm building a set slightly different than others, here is how I have my set arranged.

1 box - Southern Leaguers
2 boxes - Polar Bears
2 boxes - All the other cards/backs to my set

I have to keep my Polar Bears separate to avoid any confusion. The same rule applies with my checklists. Two separate checklists, one for Polar Bears and the other checklist for the rest of the non-Polar Bear back subjects.

I guess I'm a glutton for self inflicted punishment.

Hi Jantz

Hey good buddy, what's the latest total on your POLAR BEAR run ?


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Thanks, Jeremy

For posting your long cigarette carton of COUPON Cigarettes.


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Ted,
Thanks for your thoughts. Those 68 can easily be run in a 150 / 350 series print run, so it's entirely plausible, that they changed the card stock when printing those 48 / 20 for the Coupons Type 1's. I think about this... We know those cards were made in 1910. So there was a reason they were made, and we know they were distributed in the deep South, most likely out of the Irby Branch in New Orleans, La. area (See Postcard of New Orleans Retailer with scores of Coupon Boxes which I think contained 5 cartons of Coupon 100's cigarettes) So, discerning why there was thin card stock could be multiple reasons, but I am warming up to your theory of them simply putting a type 1 coupon on the horizontal end of the Coupon Carton. My Carton has a shadow where something the size of a Coupon card was residing, and it probably was taped on there as you suggested, and with the scores of Coupons found with missing paper at the top middle, but the rest of the card is in really good shape, makes me really start buying into the limited production theory of these cards were distributed in a limited fashion in location (Deep South) and distributed in limited fashion upon marketing/release. (Instead of packs, they were on Cartons) - Your ATC theory is an interesting one. We may be in the right direction on the Coupons, so more time is needed to help prove the theory right or wrong. Thnx for your contribution!

Hi Jeremy

Right on ! ......regarding the Irby Branch in New Orleans.





The 48-Major League subjects in the 1910 COUPON set were derived from an early 350 series (see post #2 here) press run of T206's.
American Litho. simply changed the cardboard stock from the T206 production norm to a thinner stock to produce the COUPON cards.
You and I (with a number of others on this forum) have done the research, and are well informed about the 1910 COUPON issue. And,
that's why we consider these 68 cards as just another Tobacco brand amongst the basic 15 brands of the T206 set.

Incidentally, the Southern Association subjects were printed in a separate press run from the Major Leaguers.


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