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Old 02-20-2015, 05:56 PM
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Default Saco River T206s....
I have had many emails about these cards graded by SGC, and the fact they are over graded (for the most part), and alot of you already know that. I think this goes back to the dislike of PSA by a large portion of the members. Why is this? What is so special about SGC, and so negative pertaining PSA? Re-sale wise, it's not even close. A PSA 7 common is worth around $600, an SGC 84 is around $350. And then there's the Standard Biscuit situation.....Nobody seems to want to talk about that...Why is that?
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I have had many emails about these cards graded by SGC, and the fact they are over graded (for the most part), and alot of you already know that. I think this goes back to the dislike of PSA by a large portion of the members. Why is this? What is so special about SGC, and so negative pertaining PSA? Re-sale wise, it's not even close. A PSA 7 common is worth $600, an SGC 84 is around $350. And then there's the Standard Biscuit situation.....Nobody seems to want to talk about that...Why is that?
So there is an almost 100% increase due to the flip?
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So there is an almost 100% increase due to the flip?
Not just the flip Leon, but the quality of the card as well. I have many SGC 84's that would not cross to PSA 6.5's., maybe not even 6's.. You guys know what I'm talking about....This is simply not a PSA friendly board, is that fair to say?
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Not just the flip Leon, but the quality of the card as well. I have many SGC 84's that would not cross to PSA 6.5's., maybe not even 6's.. You guys know what I'm talking about....This is simply not a PSA friendly board, is that fair to say?
How about showing some examples Kevin?
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I'm not as high end of a collector as many on the board. I will buy either if it's a card I need but prefer psa graded for a few reasons.
1. If I upgrade a card I can resell for better money with psa
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I thought we had a whole thread on the Standard Biscuits.

I don't send any cards to anyone anymore but when I did I sent to SGC bc I felt their overall knowledge about what they were looking at when it came to prewar was vastly superior and their holder looked better.
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I agree with Kevin...PSA is great...I mean this looks graded accurately, right?
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Nice deflection.
here we go, now here comes the ass kissers.....where have you guys been?? David James and Peter Ulman at the same exact time???? What are the odds??
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Way back when I joined the old board I do remember filling out a questionnaire where I had to swear allegiance to SGC.
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Such a revolutionary topic as this has never...ever been discussed...hopefully the 'experts" will chime in.
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I may be a pot stirrer...but I am definitely NOT an ass-kisser!
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And to you I was not referring Pete.
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This is another PSA gem...this could go on for eons!
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Wonder what it would be worth vs. an SGC 50????
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I love these little baseball card pissing matches so I'll fuel the fire. TPG grades as somehow adding value or validating the value of a card will eventually land where it belongs. None of them have measures in place to be a consistent way of determining a cards condition. It is one of the best examples of human error and worst examples of control I have ever seen. "Flipping" and an "84" vs a "6.5"......... Pretty funny stuff.

Edited to add that it's a shame this very cool discovery of cards that are extremely presentable is overshadowed by grading. Would have been great had they been sold just as they were found. I would have actually bid and they would have sold for their value, not the plastic slip.
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Wonder what it would be worth vs. an SGC 50????
so all this proves is that "collectors" who pay more money for a flip and a lesser card are what? STUPID?
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On a somewhat serious note, Kevin...I don't dispute the fact that in a lot of cases PSA cards of similar grade sell for more than SGC...the registry was a smart marketing ploy for PSA...no doubt.

But...I do not agree with your claim that SGC grades more loosely than PSA...this is not true.
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I tell you what Pete, you have a 51 bowman Mantle rookie in pristine condition, but you need to get the money out of it fairly quickly and profit the most possible, would you rather have it in an SGC 88 holder, or PSA 8 holder?
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I tell you what Pete, you have a 51 bowman Mantle rookie in pristine condition, but you need to get the money out of it fairly quickly, would you rather have it in an SGC 88 holder, or PSA 8 holder?
If I had a pristine mantle rookie...I couldn't give a rats ass who's $.50 plastic case houses it!
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If I had a pristine mantle rookie...I couldn't give a rats ass who's $.50 plastic case houses it!
What about a GAI 8??
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If I had a pristine mantle rookie...I couldn't give a rats ass who's $.50 plastic case houses it!
That's the coolest response I've read in awhile. Deserves a:
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That's the coolest response I've read in awhile. Deserves a:
until you had to look at the price come hammer time...
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until you had to look at the price come hammer time...
I don't worry about hammers with my collection, just when patching up the barn. I'm just a Jarhead Hillbilly and like the old sport and history of baseball and the cards are a nice way to tie them together. When it becomes stressful or a point of contention, I just laugh and back off of the hobby for awhile. TPG's are a pain in my ass as a collector and as a realist and simple objective thinker - I don't see any of them being worth a premium so I pass when it's applied. T206 are overly abundant and patience will pay off.
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I don't worry about hammers with my collection, just when patching up the barn. I'm just a Jarhead Hillbilly and like the old sport and history of baseball and the cards are a nice way to tie them together. When it becomes stressful or a point of contention, I just laugh and back off of the hobby for awhile. TPG's are a pain in my ass as a collector and as a realist and simple objective thinker - I don't see any of them being worth a premium so I pass when it's applied. T206 are overly abundant and patience will pay off.
those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...
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those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...
threads like this confirm that, you, kevin...are a dumb ass. you are the one beating the same dead horse over and over and over again...and you are the PSA ass kisser...and the one who cares so much about this nonsense.
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those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...
"Conrats" yourself. This "dumb ass" put himself through school thanks to the rewards granted for serving years as a forward operating Marine in Afghanistan. I'm confidently skilled enough to not represent your opinion of me after a light hearted comment. It's just baseball cards, no need to call names. You would not feel comfortable doing it to my face so don't do it here.
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those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...
Seriously? I thought what he said was pretty cool and the way many of us feel about the hobby.
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Seriously? I thought what he said was pretty cool and the way many of us feel about the hobby.
kevin only cares about $$$$$...he is not shy about this.
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kevin only cares about $$$$$...he is not shy about this.
sorry for any bad feelings. what do you care about Pete? It's amazing how you and David chime in at the same time!
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kevin only cares about $$$$$...he is not shy about this.
Pete- you know thats a bunch of bull****. I can go back to threads 3 and 4 years ago, you're now a saint? You never start any confrontations??
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I'm not Pete, but can I answer? I care about my enjoyment of the hobby. I could care less about how much money that I make (or lose) when it's time to sell.
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sorry for any bad feelings. what do you care about Pete? It's amazing how you and David chime in at the same time!
I fueled the fire and wasn't clear that I was just busting balls. I know it's a sore topic so should have expected a personal backlash. There is honestly a jar of moonshine very nearby so I will take your advice.
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How about your stupidity? God only knows I would hate you working inside my mouth....
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agreed...too classy in this case!

I would LOVE working in your mouth, Kevin...it'd be the marathon man all over again!
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I would LOVE working in your mouth, Kevin...it'd be the marathon man all over again!
You mean the guy working on Dustin Hoffman that didn't even have a medical license?????
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I fueled the fire and wasn't clear that I was just busting balls. I know it's a sore topic so should have expected a personal backlash. There is honestly a jar of moonshine very nearby so I will take your advice.
I would hate to see this devolve into a moonshine bashing thread. I had some moonshine last fall for the first time and am looking forward to doing it again. Sorry for interrupting the show. Carry on.
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little shop of horrors...another dental scene I'd like to reenact on you kevin!
OK, I get it. No need to be so subtle....
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Is that Steve Martin?
It is Steve from Little Shop of Horrors. Sorry for my delayed response. Me and my brother dad were busy working
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