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Default How does Shohei Ohtani have a RC card?

In Topps Heritage and Topps Opening Day there are Shohei Ohtani Rookie cards with the RC logo. Why is this allowed? He hasn't made the 25 man roster, the only stipulation that I know of. He was, and still is, a non-roster invitation to spring training.

So is there a rule I am missing that allowed Topps to start making 'RC' designated cards for him? Admittedly I only started pondering the question after it started looking like there was a possibility that he may not make the team and may start the season in the minors.
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Well that was an assumption he'd be in the majors. It will be interesting if he gets "stuck" in the minors and never comes to the majors. That would actually end up as a violation of the Topps/MLB-MLBPA agreement as players, are supposed to have played in the majors before having an RC.

When the rule was 1st created even Daisuke M. had to actually be on the opening day before an RC could be released of his. This might force everyone to go back and enforce that rule. For if this stands, then if I'm Topps or Panini I begin to open that door even wider in terms of early RC's.

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Well that was an assumption he'd be in the majors. It will be interesting if he gets "stuck" in the minors and never comes to the majors. That would actually end up as a violation of the Topps/MLB-MLBPA agreement as players, are supposed to have played in the majors before having an RC.

When the rule was 1st created even Daisuke M. had to actually be on the opening day before an RC could be released of his. This might force everyone to go back and enforce that rule. For if this stands, then if I'm Topps or Panini I begin to open that door even wider in terms of early RC's.

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If I am not mistaken isn't this what caused the Alex Gordon cut out/ white out 2006 Topps card? I do find it interesting that MLB allowed this.
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He has cards from Japan dating back I believe to 2013. Why anyone would pay these prices for what is essentially a 6th year card of him is beyond me.
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He has cards from Japan dating back I believe to 2013. Why anyone would pay these prices for what is essentially a 6th year card of him is beyond me.
Japanese cards, I believe, are equated to minor league cards in the hobby. Similar to people having less respect for the 90's Best cards than the player's first major release. Yet that is still only a tangent as to why Topps was allowed to make these non-prospect cards prior to the season, or any official announcement of him being added to a ML roster.
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Japanese cards, I believe, are equated to minor league cards in the hobby. Similar to people having less respect for the 90's Best cards than the player's first major release. Yet that is still only a tangent as to why Topps was allowed to make these non-prospect cards prior to the season, or any official announcement of him being added to a ML roster.
Haven't we seen a few other aberrations from the stated policy before? I seem to recall a thread about this when discussing the Aaron Judge Topps Now first card.
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Haven't we seen a few other aberrations from the stated policy before? I seem to recall a thread about this when discussing the Aaron Judge Topps Now first card.
The first Topps Now card with a RC logo was after his first major league game with the Yankees. Prior to that Judge had "Call Up" cards, which are considered prospect cards until they use the proper "RC" logo.
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But didn't he have a 2016 card with an RC logo, and if so, how can he have official RCs in two different years.
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This -- a 2016 Judge with an RC official designation.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Topps-...p2047675.l2557
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But didn't he have a 2016 card with an RC logo, and if so, how can he have official RCs in two different years.
There is an odd 2016 Card that was sent to Yankees Season Ticket holders. From what I can tell, though, is it was produced in 2016 and sent to the ticket holders through the 2017 season. Aaron Judge did play in 2016, though, so it isn't breaking the "RC" logo rule. I do believe it does still push the line though having it produced in 2016, and producing most of his RC in 2017.

That one still just seems borderline. Whereas the Ohtani cards seem like a blatant disregard to the rules based on a gamble (even if it did appear more like a sure thing a month ago).
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