Trivia:

[clydepepper]

Who is the only (I'm guessing...too lazy to look it up) player to have a 30-homer-30-steals season AND have at least 20 triples?
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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Who is the only (I'm guessing...too lazy to look it up) player to have a 30-homer-30-steals season AND have at least 20 triples?
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I think Jimmy Rollins did it?

[KCRfan1]

Didn't George Brett do this?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Didn't George Brett do this?

I doubt it. If nothing else he would not have stolen that many I don't think.

[KCRfan1]

Educated guess in Brett. Hit 20 triples in '79, but hit 23 hr's, and stole 17.

[AgonyandIvy]

2007 - Jimmy Rollins hit 30 HR, over 30SB and 20 3B, and added over 30 2B to Boot.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think Jimmy Rollins did it?

Correct! I just happened to look him on BBR and checked out his MVP year...pretty good!

He also set all-time records for plate appearances and at bats. His 380 total bases were the most ever by any shortstop not named A-Roid.


Is Rollins a Hall-of-Famer? I think he'd get in although probably through whatever the 'veterans' committee' calls itself by then.

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[the 'stache]

I'm sorry, I'm just not impressed by Rollins' season at all. 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases, with 20 triples sounds good until you see he had a whopping 778 plate appearances to get them. Everybody and their mothers were hitting home runs in 2007-19 guys in the N.L. alone hit 30 or more. A 119 OPS + is pretty terrible for an MVP winner, and a 6.1 WAR is well below average.

I'll take Robin Yount's 1982 MVP season over Rollins' any day of the week. First of all, Rollins played his home games at Citizens Bank Park, which had a 104 park factor (favoring hitting) in 2007. Yount played at Milwaukee County Stadium, which was an aircraft hanger. County Stadium had a 95 park rating in 1982, heavily favoring pitching. And yet Yount led the American League in slugging (.578), OPS (.957), and OPS + (166). He also led the A.L. with 367 total bases, only 13 fewer bases than Rollins' 380, in 74 fewer plate appearances. Yount had a 10.5 WAR in 1982.

No, I don't think Rollins is a Hall of Famer. Not even close. The guy has played 17 seasons , and he has a 46 WAR. That's 32nd all-time for the position. A 46 career WAR gets him in???? Besides his MVP season, he was top ten in the MVP only one other time-a 10th place finish in 2005. He put up a 96 career OPS + (below Major League Average hitter for the entirety of his career). The only reason some of his stats look better than they are is because of the era he played in, and the number of at bats he got. He's not a bad shortstop by any means, but I think he's highly overrated.

If he gets into Cooperstown before Alan Trammell, something is seriously wrong.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Even without the sophisticated analysis Bill provided, I just don't think of Rollins as a HOFer at all. Nice player, long career, but HOF? No.

[clydepepper]

I agree. I was only posing the question.

If true Hall-of-Famers are supposed to be the top 1%, then I'd put Rollins in the top 2-4%- the Hall of Very Good.


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