I guess we have a market decision on Ali's RC

[samosa4u]

Take a look at the back of the card and what does it say? Hemmets "ournal." What the hell is an "ournal?" Oh yes, wait, the letter "J" is missing, right?

These were not meant to be cut out into cards and PSA should not be grading them, period!

[Mark Webster]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Take a look at the back of the card and what does it say? Hemmets "ournal." What the hell is an "ournal?" Oh yes, wait, the letter "J" is missing, right?

These were not meant to be cut out into cards and PSA should not be grading them, period!

PSA. A third party authenticator of cards and collectibles. So in my opinion it’s acceptable. As far as I’m concerned the issue is with the panel being cut!

[Exhibitman]

Hi Mark; good to hear from you. I agree.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

The debate over boxers' rookie cards goes back to the dawn of man. We'll never all agree on one but it's always been a lot of fun to discuss it as long as emotions don't get in the way. That's never been the case before since there's never been real money on the table. Unfortunately, now there is and I think people are going to get territorial about this.

I never considered the Hemmett's (I don't even know if I'm spelling it correctly) a card. My opinion carries as much weight as my last fart. I also don't own a Hemmett's. Do I not consider it a card because I don't own one or so I not own one because I don't consider it a card? I don't know.

I'd much rather have one of the '64 or '65 cards. Give me something from a pack.

Arthur

[wrestlingcardking]

I like the Lampo Cassius Clay card the best, but I do agree with the Hemmets card being able to be cut and graded by a third party authenticator. I think the debate is really what the market decides and it appears that the Hemmets can stand with any of them.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Take a look at the back of the card and what does it say? Hemmets "ournal." What the hell is an "ournal?" Oh yes, wait, the letter "J" is missing, right?

These were not meant to be cut out into cards and PSA should not be grading them, period!

Some have the J, it's just a question of how well the printing was aligned.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Some have the J, it's just a question of how well the printing was aligned.

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

That's what I was wondering. Can anything that misaligned on the back be a PSA 9? No regular card would get that grade.

[Exhibitman]

All the early ones are cool; my personal fave is this one:



On account of it was his first card issued in the USA.

[Arazi4442]

I'm partial to the Lampo Clay card as well. Though I see the argument for the Hemmets Journal, it still doesn't feel like a "card"to me.

I'm also not quite ready to agree that the market has spoken on Ali's RC, espically by way of a PWCC auction. The price difference between the PWCCand the HA auction seems out of the norm. With what I've read on this forum about PWCC, it seems just as likely that there's a group of people with a number of higher grade Hemmets cards using this auction to artificially raise the market value.

The commission on one sale (even a big $ sale like this one) is completely worth it if you have a handful of 7s, 8s and 9s you'd like to increase the value of by way of a pre determined, super high value auction.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

I'm partial to the Lampo Clay card as well. Though I see the argument for the Hemmets Journal, it still doesn't feel like a "card"to me.

I'm also not quite ready to agree that the market has spoken on Ali's RC, espically by way of a PWCC auction. The price difference between the PWCCand the HA auction seems out of the norm. With what I've read on this forum about PWCC, it seems just as likely that there's a group of people with a number of higher grade Hemmets cards using this auction to artificially raise the market value.

The commission on one sale (even a big $ sale like this one) is completely worth it if you have a handful of 7s, 8s and 9s you'd like to increase the value of by way of a pre determined, super high value auction.

The Heritage example went for 25k higher than the PWCC.

Here is the pop report.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/non-spor...hand-cut/40203

The winning bidder on the PWCC looks very legit and with the Heritage sale taking place prior I think it is much more likely the seller was pissed with the final price and the buyer thrilled.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

I can't speak for the grading standards, only for the fact that some have the J. Look on ebay, there is a guy who specifically touts his cards that way.