Things are Starting to get Interesting in the NBA

[Peter_Spaeth]

Man, tough critic. Your franchise was in the gutter until he came back. You've been to three straight finals and won a title. I cannot believe you are knocking LeBron.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Man, tough critic. Your franchise was in the gutter until he came back. You've been to three straight finals and won a title. I cannot believe you are knocking LeBron.

The guy held the franchise hostage in 2010, ultimately leaving us in the dust in an embarrassing way at the end of free agency. He comes back, and wins a title during his second season (should've won it the first year, but Love and Kyrie got hurt). All the while, he got all of his boys - Thompson, Shump, JR - paid, demanded Griffin get him help, and mortgaged the future. He doesn't play a lick of defense unless it's the playoffs and he can make a highlight play, he puts zero emphasis on the regular season, robbing the fans of their hard-earned money, and then flops in The Finals. And now he's holding the franchise hostage yet again by not committing to resign after this upcoming season.

There a quite a few fans calling into local sports talk shows, asking for the Cavs to trade LeBron instead of Kyrie. I'm not a Kyrie fan either, but that's how some fans feel.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Nobody goes full tilt for the whole regular season given the playoff format. Except the Warriors when they overemphasized chasing the best regular season record and then lost in the Finals. It sounds to me like you and your fellow fans would be finding fault with God if he played there. Well, he really isn't that good on the outlet pass... Lebron hardly "flopped" in the Finals. He averaged 33.6 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists per game. Some flop.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody goes full tilt for the whole regular season given the playoff format. Except the Warriors when they overemphasized chasing the best regular season record and then lost in the Finals. It sounds to me like you and your fellow fans would be finding fault with God if he played there. Well, he really isn't that good on the outlet pass... Lebron hardly "flopped" in the Finals. He average d33.6 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists per game. Some flop.

The guys been to how many NBA Finals in a row? No significant injuries, plays harder than he has too in the regular season as well. The short layoff after a long Finals run is not to be discounted. Yeah who wants to play with a guy that goes to the Finals every year. Plus had to play without love and irving for one of the finals losses

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

The guys been to how many NBA Finals in a row? No significant injuries, plays harder than he has too in the regular season as well. The short layoff after a long Finals run is not to be discounted. Yeah who wants to play with a guy that goes to the Finals every year. Plus had to play without love and irving for one of the finals losses

7 in a row. Yeah, he is a cancer to his team.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

7 in a row. Yeah, he is a cancer to his team.

He has quite a few Participation Trophies on his shelf, that's true. Only 3 O'Brien's in 8 tries.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

He has quite a few Participation Trophies on his shelf, that's true. Only 3 O'Brien's in 8 tries.

he got 3 championships...i hate lebron but its a cheezy argument to talk about how many Finals losses. Dan Marino would of loved to lose 5 super bowls....

its not like the atlanta braves either who only 1 won championship in that last playoff stretch...

Id like to see Jordan win a NBA championship if Pippen and another sold player were injured in the series. Its not the case that the Cavs were favored going into the NBA finals either.

Jordan was in 6 of 8 NBA finals...so that means for 2 years..he did squat....going to the NBA Finals is 10000x better than doing zilch..yeah he wasnt playing but it is what is is...people get hurt and dont play too......he didnt play...if he played maybe he loses...we will never know....Lebron cant be penalized for playing and getting to the nba finals when jordan wasnt even playing...

Pippen did win 50 plus games during at least one seasn when jordan wasnt playing ..id like to see the Cavs win 50 the last 2 years without lebron

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

He has quite a few Participation Trophies on his shelf, that's true. Only 3 O'Brien's in 8 tries.

How many did Larry Bird win? Julius Erving? Wilt? Oscar? West? That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read. He is a generational player, one of the very few best of all time. Nobody can seriously dispute this. The only question is how high do you rank him. Among non-centers I would still rank Jordan ahead of him, and Magic slightly but not by much, but that's it.

You clearly have some issue with his personality but don't confuse that with his enormous basketball talent, drive and intelligence.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Man, tough critic. Your franchise was in the gutter until he came back. You've been to three straight finals and won a title. I cannot believe you are knocking LeBron.

Seriously, WTF? LOL!

I'm not a huge Lebron fan, I generally root for whatever team he's playing against, and I get annoyed with many in the media to constantly compare him to Jordan............but seriously, WTF?

The guy never gets seriously hurt either, which automatically makes him better and more reliable then nearly every other star in the NBA. Add 217 Playoff games in his career. Has he EVER missed a playoff start?

Kyrie's a weirdo and a flat earther. He's eccentric to say the least, and he wants to be the alpha on a lesser team. That automatically crosses The Spurs off the list, because Pops not going to hand the keys to Kyrie, because he will likely want an unselfish PG in the mold of a Tony Parker.

Lebron's biggest flaw is he wants everybody to be his friend. Ironically he has 2 of the biggest loners in the NBA on his team in Kevin Love and Kyrie. That's why he's always lobbying for the Cavs to bring in his older buddies from other teams to fill up the bench.

Timberwolves might be a good spot for Kyrie where he can actually win, but no way they will give up one of their young stars for him. Only guy they might give up would be Jeff Teague, who they just picked up to fill the PG role.