SGC new labels

[VintageBen]

Every time that I’ve had an issue with why a card graded a certain way I’ve been told, “We don’t get notes from the graders!”

I find these new authentic flips helpful determining why it graded thattaway!!!


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[refz]

I was just getting used to the “big A” which I thought was simple but elegant, in its own way. I think it’s a good thing to know why your card was labeled authentic.

[jamest206]

I shipped off a T206 Demmitt ST Louis last week for grading, got it back yesterday and it had the nice, beautiful A on it. My wife loved that and we both agreed that it adds more to the card vs a 1 or 2 ever would. It took a week for the process, and I couldn't be more happy.

[CardPadre]

Anything that gives more information about a card is really great, happy to see the change. But I wonder what gets "Authentic Altered" if there are "trimming" and "color added", etc. That leaves a little mystery to what altered is...maybe crease-pressing, cleaning/whitening, things like that maybe fall under that umbrella I guess.

[Johnny630]

This is very helpful to know in terms of cracking out for the buyer, or better yet, even buying, this is very buyer friendly; I like it but only for determination and cracking, not keeping. Sometimes it’s hard to tell what the issue is in a slab unless it's obvious. If a card is re-colored, you don’t want to crack if they say Miscut or trimmed. That’s their opinion. I respect that; however, you can weigh your opinions and either break and try again or try with another TPG.

Very Buyer Friendly!!

Sellers not so much, this IMO gives a big advantage to the buyers ��

[butchie_t]

It is getting to the point where SGC only needs 4 Authentic Flips with the sub grades. It is hard enough to get a numerical grade out of them.

I kid, I kid.


Butch

[jayshum]

I think it's great that they will be including the reason for an Authentic grade on the flip. I don't mind buying A graded cards, but I do like to know the reason for the grade since it isn't always obvious.

[JustinD]

Wonderful change.

[MINES_MINT]

Having more information is always great but those flips lack finesse aesthetically. Adding the word "trimmed" for example to the old A label seems like the better option.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

It is getting to the point where SGC only needs 4 Authentic Flips with the sub grades. It is hard enough to get a numerical grade out of them.

I kid, I kid.


Butch

Spot on Butch.

[Eric72]

In my opinion, more information is always better. Kudos to SGC. Bold move; I like it.

[pkaufman]

It appears to be a step in the right direction. It will also generate revenue for SGC for all those of us that want our "A" labeled cards to reside in the new, more informative "AUTHENTIC" holders. I wish they would tell us if they are grading on-site this year at the National. That is the announcement I am waiting for, because there are some cards that I do not trust to the mail system due to rarity.

PS - I would also like to see SGC re-start accepting in-person submissions at their Boca office. This practice was discontinued during COVID.

Regards, Paul

[RL]

excellent on SGC to add that information

[Jason]

I like it. Good addition to the flip.

[parkplace33]

Big fan here.

I got into a discussion on another platform about this change. One member said that he enjoyed the old A grade and how you had to look for the issue.

I do not enjoy that. Its a card, not a hardy boys mystery. Glad they made the change.

[luciobar1980]

Darn, I guess I barely missed the cutoff.. This was graded a few days ago...

[jchcollins]

They referenced more big changes coming in the video with Peter. At some point it might be nice if they addressed curtailing their propensity to give a half grade to about every other card submitted...

[ClementeFanOh]

Clarity, thoroughness, accuracy- I like it. It's not "buyer versus seller", it's
integrity and (apparently) a response to customer input. Trent King

[irv]

Maybe I'm missing something, and no, I didn't watch the vid, but are all MC cards going forward all going to receive an "A" designation only?

[GasHouseGang]

If you want to watch the video, I took this post from John Rafferty over on the Postwar Cards board:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=5159550440808879
SGC talks about giving undefined A grades in this facebook video from today.

I watched the SGC video, and he said if you designate "Authentic Only" then they won't add the information about why the card was given an "A" designation.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by irv

Maybe I'm missing something, and no, I didn't watch the vid, but are all MC cards going forward all going to receive an "A" designation only?

I wouldn't think so. SGC has just always baked the "MC" that PSA might put on a qualifier into the grade. It's less than clear how this works, IMO. Is an otherwise NM card given a 2 or 3 if blatantly miscut?

[steve B]

if you checked "don't slab as A" you used to get the explanation on a slip that was returned with the card.
Those were more detailed than these, but this is a long overdue addition.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by steve B

if you checked "don't slab as A" you used to get the explanation on a slip that was returned with the card.
Those were more detailed than these, but this is a long overdue addition.

Exactly. I still have the one from my first ever submission 20 or so years ago, where my '56 Mantle was returned rejected because of "color added." Not understanding how grading really worked at the time, I was like "Oh yeah, well as a kid I did erase the stain off of that corner." They did their job and caught it. A more accurate description of that particular corner might have been "color weird", as none was actually added - but yes, it was an A. I later sent the same card back, requesting an A only slab, and they did it.

[LEHR]

I like it. Good move on SGC's part.

[ClementeFanOh]

On a related note, the most prolific comic book grader- CGC- just announced
that collectors can now access graders' notes(!!!) by using the certification
number on the comic book, available on the CGC site. Imagine that

Trent King

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

On a related note, the most prolific comic book grader- CGC- just announced
that collectors can now access graders' notes(!!!) by using the certification
number on the comic book, available on the CGC site. Imagine that

Trent King

I’m pretty sure CGC did this in response to overwhelming negative reactions to recent changes they’ve made. Maybe they actually spoke with prominent members of the community this time.

[ClementeFanOh]

Hi Eric! Good to read your comments as always. I wouldn't be surprised at
all if CGC reacted to negative input. I think it's long overdue on their part
for comics. Some net54ers have mentioned a desire for grader notes, just
thought it was good to see CGC finally accommodate it for comics. Trent King

[fkm_bky]

I think I'll crack out my Cobb that's graded A, resubmit it and see what happens (if it gets numerical, or a brief explanation). I like the new label approach from SGC.

Bill

[hcv123]

I've been complaining about this for years!! Couldn't tell the difference between an altered card and a factory miscut!!

[the 'stache]

I like the information provided, but I'd much rather see the "A" on the front, with the detail on the back of the flip. It's too busy on the front, which would detract from my enjoyment of the card.

This is definitely a step in the right direction, however.

[Lorewalker]

I love the additional info on the label and SGC goes beyond what PSA has been doing on their Authentic slabs.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I like the information provided, but I'd much rather see the "A" on the front, with the detail on the back of the flip. It's too busy on the front, which would detract from my enjoyment of the card.

This is definitely a step in the right direction, however.

100% agree

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I like the information provided, but I'd much rather see the "A" on the front, with the detail on the back of the flip. It's too busy on the front, which would detract from my enjoyment of the card.

This is definitely a step in the right direction, however.

I agree, however I think The A with the reasoning on the front would be a nice medium. Being on the back would take away from the trademark look and the slab would have to be altered.
I don't like the Whole word AUTHENTIC on the front. Just isn't a clean look to me. An A with the reasoning underneath in even smaller font I think would be great.

[Vintagedeputy]

And still no registry.

[Snowman]

I can't stand the look of the new Authentic flip. It's just so cluttered and messy looking. I like the information, but I don't understand why they couldn't just add those notes to the website so that you can look it up online when looking up the cert.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I can't stand the look of the new Authentic flip. It's just so cluttered and messy looking. I like the information, but I don't understand why they couldn't just add those notes to the website so that you can look it up online when looking up the cert.

Have you tried using their Pop report or the nonexistent registry?
If so why do you have confidence that looking up the notes online would be any better?

Even under good circumstances looking stuff up online is a PITA.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by steve B

Have you tried using their Pop report or the nonexistent registry?
If so why do you have confidence that looking up the notes online would be any better?

Even under good circumstances looking stuff up online is a PITA.

LOL. You and Travis better watch your step. When ClementeFanOh reads this he is gonna lose it...again.

[CardPadre]

I will walk-back my full support for the labels. They do look too cluttered and most people slab cards because they want to visually enjoy the presentation.

I like the full "Authentic" but the Debbie Downer qualifying info right there kills the presentation vibe. That info is critically important, though, and should be readily available...but just not placed there.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

I will walk-back my full support for the labels. They do look too cluttered and most people slab cards because they want to visually enjoy the presentation.

I like the full "Authentic" but the Debbie Downer qualifying info right there kills the presentation vibe. That info is critically important, though, and should be readily available...but just not placed there.

I find the "A" and the grade numbers too large to begin with. I like the old green labels.

[1954 topps]

Big fan of the SGC labels in general, I don't have to squint to see a grade on a card at a show. Is that a EX-MT 6 or a NM-MT 8 PSA card? When you glance down at a showcase those SGC grades pop!

Anytime a grading company adds more information, I consider this a win for the collector because they can make an informed decision. Hate trimmed cards, but added color is ok, then here you go, a cheap alternative authentic card is here for your taking.

PSA should take note of what SGC is doing here, this is a win for those collecting authentic graded cards likely of big names.

[GrewUpWithJunkWax]

I appreciate them trying clear up the ambiguity of the current A grade. It's a problem that has needed to be addressed. Adding more information behind the grade is a move in the right direction.

The new design isn't a knockout though. Maybe the additional info could be moved to the back of the label? Or a QR code takes you to a page that explains the grade even further? There, they could include grader notes, or even an image that circles the specific area on that card that was altered. I'm sure that takes more time and resources, requiring extra fees, but while the card is in their hands under scrutiny, tell us more about what they see.

*I've never submitted cards for grading, but occasionally buy them as a casual collector

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by GrewUpWithJunkWax

...the additional info could be moved to the back of the label...

Is the back of the label visible on SGC graded cards?

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Is the back of the label visible on SGC graded cards?

It isn’t. That’s why the tuxedo look wouldn’t be the same if they moved it to the back. They would have to sacrifice the complete black insert and add a plastic window...
No thanks

[3-2-count]

Good Lord! We are a picky bunch. JEESH!!

[JollyElm]

Forever:
God, I wish the TPGs would tell me why my card was only graded "AUTHENTIC."

Today:
Why in God's name are they cluttering up the label with the specific reason why my card is only graded "AUTHENTIC"???????!!!!!!

[G1911]

I'm surprised anyone would be against this.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Forever:
God, I wish the TPGs would tell me why my card was only graded "AUTHENTIC."

Today:
Why in God's name are they cluttering up the label with the specific reason why my card is only graded "AUTHENTIC"???????!!!!!!

Yup. Careful what ya wish for.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by jamest206

My wife loved that and we both agreed that it adds more to the card vs a 1 or 2 ever would.

Pretty sure that my wife would look at me as if to say "and I care - why?""