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What is the boards thought on outing an auction and not outing.

I have mixed feelings about it. It is a card(s) posted to the public for sale so obviously if someone wants to talk about it they should be able to by all means. That is unless I am bidding on it.

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Outing it for what? Fraud, alteration, etc?

Isn't that done here all the time?
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I have no problem with auctions being outed. I feel members should refrain from making disparaging remarks about an item that's still open for bidding as there is a reasonably good chance that could be another member's consignment.
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I've been around here a long time, well before the 2009 site change. Historically people do get bent out of shape when auctions are outed.

I think there's some times it's not frowned upon...like when there's something very special being auctioned that transcends the hobby, and makes for great discussions, like Heritage's upcoming PSA 9 52 Mantle, (which will already have tons of eyes on it)...and then also when there's a specific concern over something being real, in which case the poster is trying to warn fellow collectors of a possible fraud (like the Cobb/BL460).

But, in the case of middle of the road (legitimate) items, most bidders are hoping they stay under the radar.

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Oh...That kind of outing. My policy is, if I'm interested in the item, mums the word.
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Oh...That kind of outing. My policy is, if I'm interested in the item, mums the word.
Haha...this!!!!! Like most topics on this board...there is no 1 answer. When should a post be allowed in the wrong section? Seems there are exceptions abound. Same as "outing" an auction.
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I see no problem "outing" an auction. I am careful not to crap on something a board member may be trying sell. However "does that look right" kind of posts are fine with me.

I've seen instances where someone simply posts "wow, did you see that Cobb on Heritage. . ." and people get their panties in a twist. Like it's a big secret or something. Never understood that at all, like we are supposed to be quiet and not draw attention to someone that some dude is looking at. On the internet. All poppycock if you ask me.

Long winded. . . I have no problem "outing an auction" and for the life of me just don't get it.

I've been accused of outing entire auctions. "Hey, is anyone watching Hunt" kind of stuff. Evan a deeper level of absurdity.

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I see no problem "outing" an auction. I am careful not to crap on something a board member may be trying sell. However "does that look right" kind of posts are fine with me.

I've seen instances where someone simply posts "wow, did you see that Cobb on Heritage. . ." and people get their panties in a twist. Like it's a big secret or something. Never understood that at all, like we are supposed to be quiet and not draw attention to someone that some dude is looking at. On the internet. All poppycock if you ask me.

Long winded. . . I have no problem "outing an auction" and for the life of me just don't get it.

I've been accused of outing entire auctions. "Hey, is anyone watching Hunt" kind of stuff. Evan a deeper level of absurdity.
It's hard to believe that consignors haven't come on here and outed their own auction items unbeknownst to everyone else. Why wouldn't you do that.
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Not posting an ongoing auction is one of those 'unwritten rules,' as in baseball. Some people are strongly for this rule and insist everyone should follow it, but it is not a codified rule except in their minds. At the latest broken MLB unwritten rule brewhaha, some baseball people will respond "There's a reason it's unwritten. Because it ain't a rule."

I'm not against the rule and follow it (except in private conversations), but nowhere is it a law and, as in baseball, it gets comical when someone gets bent out of shape about unwritten rules that "have to be followed by everyone."

Certainly, if the public comments are about authenticity, identity, dating or important details concerning a current auction lot, those are talked about on this board with regularity and don't break that "unwritten rule."

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I personally don't like when someone outs an auction.

What bothers me the most is when a seller outs his own auction to beef up interest. If that's okay to do, then I will out all my auctions.
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I personally don't like when someone outs an auction.

What bothers me the most is when a seller outs his own auction to beef up interest. If that's okay to do, then I will out all my auctions.
Don't understand this logic at all. The most basic rules of marketing indicate that it's not only ok to do...it's mandatory.

Why wouldn't you want to beef up interest in your items? If someone wants to give their items away, they can take them to Goodwill rather than leaving it to chance at the mercy of the unwritten rules of secret auctions.
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So what's the purpose of 'not outing an auction'? Allowing someone to pay less than fair market value for an item? Artificially limiting demand for an item and therefore reducing a seller's income? Manipulating free market conditions?

I'm all for fair and efficient markets. The whole things sounds communist to me.
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Don't understand this logic at all. The most basic rules of marketing indicate that it's not only ok to do...it's mandatory.

Why wouldn't you want to beef up interest in your items? If someone wants to give their items away, they can take them to Goodwill rather than leaving it to chance at the mercy of the unwritten rules of secret auctions.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for letting everyone know about my auctions. Marketing is the key to let everyone know, It's just my understanding that you are not allowed to out your own auction here on Net54 unless you are a paid advertiser.
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The purpose doesn't really matter does it?

What does matter to me is if something is listed oddly or in a place that's not obvious. Like lets say I list a bunch of stuff and forget to change the category so a T206 Cobb gets listed in the bicycle parts section of Ebay.

As a buyer, I wouldn't want the entire list to know about it. Even though many people use specific searches and it will probably bring an appropriate price anyway.
If it's in the baseball card section, out away, everyone who is going to outbid me - nearly everyone- has probably seen it.

If a card or something is in a small poorly publicized auction, that's something I'd like to keep fairly quiet.
That being said, when the auction I used to go to(now closed) had cards that I thought were a good fit for someone that I couldn't afford I did tell a couple people who I knew might be interested. Just not publicly
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I personally don't like when someone outs an auction.

What bothers me the most is when a seller outs his own auction to beef up interest. If that's okay to do, then I will out all my auctions.
On the BST page there is an section where people can pimp their own auctions if they want. Doesn't belong on page 1.
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So what's the purpose of 'not outing an auction'? Allowing someone to pay less than fair market value for an item? Artificially limiting demand for an item and therefore reducing a seller's income? Manipulating free market conditions?

I'm all for fair and efficient markets. The whole things sounds communist to me.
The point is to steal something at a lower price because others would be interested it if they knew about it.
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I personally don't like when someone outs an auction.

What bothers me the most is when a seller outs his own auction to beef up interest. If that's okay to do, then I will out all my auctions.
So you don't like when someone outs an auction, yet have a link on your posts to your eBay page. Mmmmm. Trying to process that.
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The major issue that has happened MANY times on this board and others, is that by outing an auction, you've now jeopardized the completion of an agreed to sale. That's why I asked years ago on the board, and the consensus was that you should wait 7 days to ask about a sale. That gives the buyer enough time to pay and the seller to deliver.
Many times, unscrupulous people (and yes, this board has their fair share or lurkers) will contact the seller and get them to cancel the sale in favor of a higher priced off-eBay deal.
Hell, it just happened in February on the 1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 4.5.

And advertising your eBay page is a ton different than saying "Hey guys, there is this awesome T206 on eBay ending tomorrow!" in a post on the front page.

If there's fraud, I get it. But don't just post an item asking if it's fraudulent just because the price is too good.
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I don't understand the concept of "outing" an auction, is it hidden where no one can see it?
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so you don't like when someone outs an auction, yet have a link on your posts to your ebay page. Mmmmm. Trying to process that.
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The major issue that has happened MANY times on this board and others, is that by outing an auction, you've now jeopardized the completion of an agreed to sale. That's why I asked years ago on the board, and the consensus was that you should wait 7 days to ask about a sale. That gives the buyer enough time to pay and the seller to deliver.
Many times, unscrupulous people (and yes, this board has their fair share or lurkers) will contact the seller and get them to cancel the sale in favor of a higher priced off-eBay deal.
Hell, it just happened in February on the 1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 4.5.

And advertising your eBay page is a ton different than saying "Hey guys, there is this awesome T206 on eBay ending tomorrow!" in a post on the front page.

If there's fraud, I get it. But don't just post an item asking if it's fraudulent just because the price is too good.
I have read a lot of good responses and I really like what you laid out there John.
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I personally don't like when someone outs an auction.

What bothers me the most is when a seller outs his own auction to beef up interest. If that's okay to do, then I will out all my auctions.
It's ok to do until you get caught (outing your own auction). Then you won't do it any longer on this board as you will be warned and then banned.

And to answer a question above, yes paid advertisers will be able to advertise on the front page but they are few and far between (besides auction date notes.)

And lastly, except for outing your own auction, there is no board rule against outing anything. It has been discussed many times before.
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...And advertising your eBay page is a ton different than saying "Hey guys, there is this awesome T206 on eBay ending tomorrow!" in a post on the front page.

If there's fraud, I get it. But don't just post an item asking if it's fraudulent just because the price is too good.
This seems to best sum it up, most eloquently.
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I consider it a benefit of community when an expert in an issue raises concerns over an auction. I know many collectors who've been saved from making bad purchases by information provided on this forum and others by concerned collectors.

I think we also have to differentiate between eBay and auctions, and sales and auctions:

--I would never want to comment on an active sale from the BST here (except in cases of fraud) because it might mess up someone's deal. There is little that is more divisive in a collecting community than interfering with someone else's deal. Think of it like Guido the Killer Pimp in Risky Business: "In these trying economic times, never, ever f*** with another man's livelihood."

--I would prefer not to see comments on eBay offerings because so often things do fly under the radar there.

--For any regular auction house, I see no harm in mentioning a lot offered; we all get the same emails and catalogs and see the same stuff anyway.

Personally, I don't comment on pending auctions (except for fraud or marquee items that everyone is talking about); if there happens to be something I spot I'd rather not broadcast it or have it broadcast. One of my favorite items ever flew under the radar in a major auction and I show it off whenever I can:



But I have no criticism of whoever feels otherwise about commenting on a pending auction at an AH; it is just my preference.
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It's ok to do until you get caught (outing your own auction). Then you won't do it any longer on this board as you will be warned and then banned.
Just curious...What's the logic behind this policy?
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We have areas to do those transactions. So after being warned, if someone does it again (and there were no pure mistakes involved), they are gone. Does that seem wrong to you?
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I consider it a benefit of community when an expert in an issue raises concerns over an auction. I know many collectors who've been saved from making bad purchases by information provided on this forum and others by concerned collectors.

I think we also have to differentiate between eBay and auctions, and sales and auctions:

--I would never want to comment on an active sale from the BST here (except in cases of fraud) because it might mess up someone's deal. There is little that is more divisive in a collecting community than interfering with someone else's deal. Think of it like Guido the Killer Pimp in Risky Business: "In these trying economic times, never, ever f*** with another man's livelihood."

--I would prefer not to see comments on eBay offerings because so often things do fly under the radar there.

--For any regular auction house, I see no harm in mentioning a lot offered; we all get the same emails and catalogs and see the same stuff anyway.

Personally, I don't comment on pending auctions (except for fraud or marquee items that everyone is talking about); if there happens to be something I spot I'd rather not broadcast it or have it broadcast. One of my favorite items ever flew under the radar in a major auction and I show it off whenever I can:



But I have no criticism of whoever feels otherwise about commenting on a pending auction at an AH; it is just my preference.
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We have areas to do those transactions. So after being warned, if someone does it again (and there were no pure mistakes involved), they are gone. Does that seem wrong to you?
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I agree with Leon, seems obvious actually. Imagine if everyone was allowed to promote their own auctions on the main page. There would be no room left for the discussion threads.
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We have areas to do those transactions. So after being warned, if someone does it again (and there were no pure mistakes involved), they are gone. Does that seem wrong to you?
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Oh...So you're saying it's only an issue if it's done outside of the BST section...ie on the home page? I thought you were saying it wasn't allowed anywhere.
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So you don't like when someone outs an auction, yet have a link on your posts to your eBay page. Mmmmm. Trying to process that.
When setting up your Net54 profile, there is a place to enter your home page url. So, every time you post something on the board, it will be displayed. Try to process that!
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