Bccg vs raw

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

There is even an E-Bay warning about BCCG graded cards. It's too bad this isn't listed/shown with all BCCG cards that come up for auction.

http://www.ebay.com/gds/The-BCCG-gra...5139486/g.html

I use to somewhat speak positively/strong for Beckett graded cards but when they "Knowingly" started this service, they quickly fell out of favor with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgaZGrf2gg

In my opinion, not that they likely care, they should do away with this service while they are still afloat.

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

I have never understood the hate for BCCG cards because as long as you can read you should be OK. The grade is clearly printed on the label in big letters.

[irv]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

I have never understood the hate for BCCG cards because as long as you can read you should be OK. The grade is clearly printed on the label in big letters.

I have learned a lot since I joined this forum, and I still, admittedly, have a long ways to go yet, but if I have learned something, then that is the fact there is a lot of dishonesty and deception within this hobby.

With that being said, it would be nice, sort of, if I were just talking about dishonest sellers, not about a grading company or TPG, whichever you prefer, to be one of those dishonest deceptive people!

I am not sure what you are referring to, Ben? I see the label as a 10, Mint or Better. There is nothing there that I see that would suggest this card, or any other, is not graded like the rest, or remotely close to what people are use to or is the norm in hobby.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONY-GWYNN-1...D/122396909010

It's funny what this guy decided to add in his post just to make it that much more alluring or appealing. A newbie, rookie, neophyte, or whatever you want to call them, would/will likely eat this stuff up. I know when I first re-joined the hobby and this site after a 30+ yr absence, I was one of them.
Graded BCCG-10 (Mint or Better) by Beckett Grading Services "The World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting"

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

I have learned a lot since I joined this forum, and I still, admittedly, have a long ways to go yet, but if I have learned something, then that is the fact there is a lot of dishonesty and deception within this hobby.

With that being said, it would be nice, sort of, if I were just talking about dishonest sellers, not about a grading company or TPG, whichever you prefer, to be one of those dishonest deceptive people!

I am not sure what you are referring to, Ben? I see the label as a 10, Mint or Better. There is nothing there that I see that would suggest this card, or any other, is not graded like the rest, or remotely close to what people are use to or is the norm in hobby.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONY-GWYNN-1...D/122396909010

It's funny what this guy decided to add in his post just to make it that much more alluring or appealing. A newbie, rookie, neophyte, or whatever you want to call them, would/will likely eat this stuff up. I know when I first re-joined the hobby after and this site after a 30+ yr absence, I was one of them.
Graded BCCG-10 (Mint or Better) by Beckett Grading Services "The World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting"

We just see the same thing differently Dale. Hope you are having a great day!

To me that card is labeled correctly as a BCCG 10 Mint or Better. It would be the same as a PSA 9 Mint and I have seen several cards in that exact condition labeled as such. Many people do see Beckett as the worlds most trusted source in collecting, I personally do not.

I see many things in this hobby as much worse than a label that people can't figure out how to read correctly. Yes I complain about those too not that is does any good.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

Not sure of that these days. I just searched on ebay for 2011 Topps Update Trout PSA and 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS -- a pretty representative newer card -- and there are more PSA.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not sure of that these days. I just searched on ebay for 2011 Topps Update Trout PSA and 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS -- a pretty representative newer card -- and there are more PSA.

Sadly PSA continues to dominate the market and it is not because they do it better. Beckett and SGC continue to do things that encourage collectors and dealers to make PSA their grader of choice.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by irv

What do you think, Frank, a 8, 9 or 10?

Originally Posted by bnorth

I believe that would be correctly labeled as a BCCG 7 Very Good.

Ben,

Irv says it's undergraded.

Irv,

Just include that opinion with you submission and I see Kuzava in a BCCG 9 holder

[JollyElm]

Picked up this beauty today…

gretzskybccg10.5.jpg

[irv]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Ben,

Irv says it's undergraded.

Irv,

Just include that opinion with you submission and I see Kuzava in a BCCG 9 holder

After seeing Jolly's sweet looking, under graded, Gretzky above get a 10.5, my undergraded Kuzava should be at least an 11, maybe even an 11.5 now!
I think such a deserving card should now be called Better than Gem Mint, (BTGM) or a Platinum Gem Mint, (PGM). I mean, with the Super High Intensity Training that Beckett must have taken in order to have this new BCCG standard, I am not sure why they didn't take it to a much higher level?