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Old 05-11-2018, 02:57 PM
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Pretty sure if your reference Attila the Hun you have to put your name to it, correct.
Especially if you badmouth him.
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Attila was pretty much my all-time favorite Hun.
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Attila was pretty much my all-time favorite Hun.
Oh he was def "the" Hun!
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I agree 1000% with Dewey's post.
Then please put your full name next to your post per the rules, just as is under Dewey's id. Thanks.
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Attila was pretty much my all-time favorite Hun.
Barry, I couldn't think of another Hun. I'm going to bet not many people can name another Hun without Googling it? Yup, I guess that makes Attila, most everyone's favorite Hun....
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Barry, I couldn't think of another Hun. I'm going to bet not many people can name another Hun without Googling it? Yup, I guess that makes Attila, most everyone's favorite Hun....
I don't even really know what a Hun is, but I think if I met one, we would get along just fine.
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Here is a Hun I found when I googled it... Hi Barry 😊
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Lord have mercy... that was one of Wonka's creations, I think.
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“I’m in love, I’m in love
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Attila the Hun, Attila the Hun
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Mine are "We Will All Go Together When We Go" and Poisoning Pigeons in the Park"
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Spring is here, a-suh-puh-ring is here.
Life is skittles and life is beer.
I think the loveliest time of the year is the spring.
I do, don't you? 'course you do.
But there's one thing that makes spring complete for me,
And makes ev'ry sunday a treat for me.

All the world seems in tune
On a spring afternoon,
When we're poisoning pigeons in the park.
Ev'ry sunday you'll see
My sweetheart and me,
As we poison the pigeons in the park.

When they see us coming, the birdies all try an' hide,
But they still go for peanuts when coated with cyanide.
The sun's shining bright,
Ev'rything seems all right,
When we're poisoning pigeons in the park.

Lalaalaalalaladoodiedieedoodoodoo

We've gained notoriety,
And caused much anxiety
In the audubon society
With our games.
They call it impiety,
And lack of propriety,
And quite a variety
Of unpleasant names.
But it's not against any religion
To want to dispose of a pigeon.

So if sunday you're free,
Why don't you come with me,
And we'll poison the pigeons in the park.
And maybe we'll do
In a squirrel or two,
While we're poisoning pigeons in the park.

We'll murder them all amid laughter and merriment.
Except for the few we take home to experiment.
My pulse will be quickenin'
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It just takes a smidgin!
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Holy crap.... this is for real. It's in the 12 page PDF (terms and conditions of auction) that is buried on the website. At first I thought it was some kind of joke. Perhaps a new thread needs to be opened on this topic.

I'm trying to figure out what a reasonable explanation could be but I can't.


21. The Auctioneer, its affiliates, or their employees consign items to be sold in the Auction, and may bid on those lots or any other lots. Auctioneer or affiliates expressly reserve the right to modify any such bids at any time prior to the hammer based upon data made known to the Auctioneer or its affiliates. The Auctioneer may extend advances, guarantees, or loans to certain consignors.

What does that mean? "Auctioneer or affiliates expressly reserve the right to modify any such bids at any time prior to the hammer based upon data made known to the Auctioneer or its affiliates.

Fred, you probably now realize why there are some collectors who won't bid in Heritage's auctions
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:19 AM
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Val is spot on. Those hinky rules have been on their site for years. Caveat Emptor!

AH is basically telling us that if an item is going for a bargain price, they will run it up. MT is their perfect hire. They already have an office ready for Doug Allen when he is released.
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Before anyone reacts, Mark was guilty of committng a crime. He confessed to that and there is no disputing that. However, there is a major difference between being the head of an organization that comes up with a scheme to defraud and a subordinate that is following orders/instructions. Certainly still illegal, but very very different IMO.
The Nuremberg Defense. Awesome.

There's also a big difference between "making a mistake" and doing the same illegal behavior over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...you get the point.

It's an absolute joke he got another job with an auction house and an even bigger joke that people on here are defending that.
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Old 05-12-2018, 06:27 AM
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No, I would not support a decision to hire Bill or Doug. Different crimes committed, or at least severity. And as you well know, that is why the sentencing guidelines were different.

But yes, answering any question why there is support for someone who did what Mark did, is setting oneself up for disaster. That is why there are crickets. I know all 3 of them, I would only support Mark being hired....not that my support matters or not. I think Mark was lead down a bad path and don't think he will do it again. That is my opinion. I am not saying he didn't know what he was doing when he did it. He did and paid for it.
My mom used to say " if your friends jump off the Brooklyn bridge are you going to jump too?" In response to my telling her I did the wrong thing because my friends were doing it. It drives home the point that our integrity is our own to be in or out of alignment with based on decisions we alone make.

There are moments in life where we are faced with decisions to violate or stay aligned with our integrity. If Mark is as "good" a guy as some say - he fell flat on his face with this one. He has been accountable (questionable as to if that was of his own accord or forced because he was caught), but as mentioned earlier - has he made restitution to those he harmed? Did he receive financial rewards for his actions? Did he share as much of the story as he knew with those prosecuting the case to help fill in the blanks of the destroyed records?

I am first in line for forgiveness. It is not my place to judge others. Forgiveness also allows me to live with a lighter heart. I have a retail business and people have stolen from me. I have forgiven all of them ( I have not communicated that to some as the forgiveness first and foremost is about my freedom from their actions). I also have not allowed them back into a position where they could steal from me again. I was shilled by Mastro auctions (1time that I caught them in and refused to pay for the lot that the prior night it said I was outbid on). I am sure I was shilled other times as well. I forgive them. I also don't/wouldn't choose to do business with them again when they finish their time.

I don't know mark nor choose to judge him. I pray that he has learned from his mistakes and will find it easier to stay aligned with his integrity. I am uncomfortable that he has a position in an auction house I have bid with recently.
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Hopefully everyone here has read the available list of shill bidders closely enough to know that Mark isn't the only former Mastro employee who is now at Heritage.
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:05 AM
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Hopefully everyone here has read the available list of shill bidders closely enough to know that Mark isn't the only former Mastro employee who is now at Heritage.
I read the list. Who else is on it that is at heritage now?

Who is Jennifer stein? Paired up with Irv Lerner a lot on the list - shilled me at least once on the list!
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I read the list. Who else is on it that is at heritage now?

Who is Jennifer stein? Paired up with Irv Lerner a lot on the list - shilled me at least once on the list!
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Here is a Hun I found when I googled it... Hi Barry ��
Barry, I must say you have aged well but the role of Hans Solo was filled years ago, and what does Chewbacca collect? Star Wars cards, I expect. And contrary to rumors Atilla did not sack Rome. That was the job of another Visigoth. Interested Net 54'ers will have to look up the answer. Asking Siri doesn't count. Remember, I taught history at Norman Thomas High on the East Side of Manhattan.
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I never bid in a Mastro auction so not a real victim but I still can’t understand why a big, diverse, international auction house would make such a hire. Aren’t they bonded and insured, which should have a negative impact on those cost. Don’t they have any type of mentoring program where they can hire a suitable, non convicted candidate from within?
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I read the list. Who else is on it that is at heritage now?

Who is Jennifer stein? Paired up with Irv Lerner a lot on the list - shilled me at least once on the list!
You mention Irv Lerner/Jennifer Stein partnership shill bid you once - there are about sixty other lots they shill bid that are recorded on that document.
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You mention Irv Lerner/Jennifer Stein partnership shill bid you once - there are about sixty other lots they shill bid that are recorded on that document.
I saw that. I know who Irv Lerner is - wondering who Jennifer stein is. Interesting how they switch rolls - sometimes consignor, sometimes shil bidder.
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Irv lerner was a hobby “legend “ but he always struck me as just about the meanest guy who ever lived. I know others felt differently about him but the mastro info is not a great legacy.

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Irv lerner was a hobby “legend “ but he always struck me as just about the meanest guy who ever lived. I know others felt differently about him but the mastro info is not a great legacy.

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Was he the one allegedly selling bad rings or am I thinking of someone else?
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The Nuremberg Defense. Awesome.

There's also a big difference between "making a mistake" and doing the same illegal behavior over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...you get the point.

It's an absolute joke he got another job with an auction house and an even bigger joke that people on here are defending that.
Ya know when I first started practicing medicine I had very few patients and I earned money to pay all the bills by filling various posts. I did endoscopy procedures on Fridays for a Community Health Center. I was the Chief Medical Officer of the Floral-Park Bellerose Schools. As such I had to attend all the Varsity games. One year, in a playoff game, the team's best player injured his knee. The kid and the coach wanted to keep playing. I took him out of the game. The irate coach told me to play the kid or he'd make sure I wasn't back the next School year. I took the player to the locker room and iced his knee.....I wasn't re-hired.
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Ya know when I first started practicing medicine I had very few patients and I earned money to pay all the bills by filling various posts. I did endoscopy procedures on Fridays for a Community Health Center. I was the Chief Medical Officer of the Floral-Park Bellerose Schools. As such I had to attend all the Varsity games. One year, in a playoff game, the team's best player injured his knee. The kid and the coach wanted to keep playing. I took him out of the game. The irate coach told me to play the kid or he'd make sure I wasn't back the next School year. I took the player to the locker room and iced his knee.....I wasn't re-hired.
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Ya know when I first started practicing medicine I had very few patients and I earned money to pay all the bills by filling various posts. I did endoscopy procedures on Fridays for a Community Health Center. I was the Chief Medical Officer of the Floral-Park Bellerose Schools. As such I had to attend all the Varsity games. One year, in a playoff game, the team's best player injured his knee. The kid and the coach wanted to keep playing. I took him out of the game. The irate coach told me to play the kid or he'd make sure I wasn't back the next School year. I took the player to the locker room and iced his knee.....I wasn't re-hired.
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People should be given second chances in life but not allowed back in the same industry where they committed a crime.

I was shilled by Mastro and I can never forgive anyone who has ripped me off. I worked very hard my whole life to make a living. I am not going to forgive someone who stole money from me.

We should be trying to clean the hobby up. We are not here to give second chances to people who took advantage of us.

I have been a customer of Heritage for several years and now am having second thoughts after hearing who they hired.

There is also the the issue of 'fool me once shame on you....

If someone gets burned by Heritage now due to something caused by Theo, its not like Heritage can claim they didnt know about him when hiring him so I am sure they assessed the risk and find him a good risk. They will be in the line of fire.

Im all for giving people 2nd chances as well especially if they go into trouble as a teenager like someone said in this thread

with that being said, i am into giving people first chances too who may not have an opportunity due to someone being given a second chance...plus the reason the person may be given a second chance is because of unique knowledge and networking that may of partially be gained due to being part of a conspiracy/criminal enterprise. They can be all cleaned up now, but the fact they got all this information puts them ahead of someone trying to get a a first chance. Again i am talking generally.

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I don't imagine Mark T. is a teenager.

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There is also the the issue of 'fool me once shame on you....

If someone gets burned by Heritage now due to something caused by Theo, its not like Heritage can claim they didnt know about him when hiring him so I am sure they assessed the risk and find him a good risk. They will be in the line of fire.

Im all for giving people 2nd chances as well especially if they go into trouble as a teenager like someone said in this thread

with that being said, i am into giving people first chances too who may not have an opportunity due to someone being given a second chance...plus the reason the person may be given a second chance is because of unique knowledge and networking that may of partially be gained due to being part of a conspiracy/criminal enterprise. They can be all cleaned up now, but the fact they got all this information puts them ahead of someone trying to get a a first chance. Again i am talking generally.
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Ya know when I first started practicing medicine I had very few patients and I earned money to pay all the bills by filling various posts. I did endoscopy procedures on Fridays for a Community Health Center. I was the Chief Medical Officer of the Floral-Park Bellerose Schools. As such I had to attend all the Varsity games. One year, in a playoff game, the team's best player injured his knee. The kid and the coach wanted to keep playing. I took him out of the game. The irate coach told me to play the kid or he'd make sure I wasn't back the next School year. I took the player to the locker room and iced his knee.....I wasn't re-hired.
I have been in a position where, like you, I was pressured to do something that violated my integrity in the course of my professional duties. Refusing could potentially cost me my job. I refused. It's not always easy to do the right thing but it IS always the right thing to do the right thing.
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When the book or movies is written it should be called "The Big Shill"
I was thinking “Crime Pays”.
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I was thinking “Crime Pays”.
you mean white collar crime pays..


easier to steal with a pen versus a gun
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