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Old 09-26-2017, 09:45 AM
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The "Quickest flip" thread got me wondering how to order the importance of stubs. I know full tickets generally carry a premium over stubs, all else equal, but as far as the event that happened at the game, how would you order their importance/value? That thread is about a final career HR, which I would guess would be less desirable than first, if for no other reason than the first is usually 15+ years older and harder to find, but I could he wrong. Is a first game more valuable than a 500th HR? Is a first appearance better than a 300th win? I know there's tons of variables, but in broad strokes, I'd love to know how you guys rank them.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:53 AM
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To me, a "first" of any kind (first career win, first RBI, first home run, first stolen base, first appearance) would be worth more than a milestone ticket.

Nobody would know to save the "first", so the rarity factor is exponentially greater. Both because the ticket is older, and because the attendee would need to have ESP to comprehend its significance at the time.

For a "Milestone" Ticket (say a Perfect Game or Aaron's 715th HR), almost everyone in the stadium understands the significance, and most know to save that stub. Plus, there were probably far more people in attendance for the "milestone" game.... thus, a far greater inventory of tickets/stubs.

Perhaps the market values it differently, but that's how I would view it.

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Old 09-26-2017, 02:01 PM
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I agree with Mark. For example, a lot with a ticket stub to Mike Schmidt's first home run sold for $2247 on Ebay earlier this year. It might have possibly gone higher but the listing did not note the ticket's significance. In contrast, a stub to Schmidt's last home run goes for around $50.
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I saw that Schmidt 1st HR go for that ridiculous price. I really feel that was high but as a ticket guy I am always glad to see strong prices.

As mentioned earlier, a milestone is usually far easier to predict and therefore tickets will be plentiful. Take a look at prices for the 3000th hits of Ripken, Molitor, Brett and Yount. Sometimes they sell for $5.

A debut ticket is becoming a big deal. 10 years ago it wasn't, but now there are more ticket collectors around. I believe the thinking is a debut is like a rookie card. Debuts nowadays are a known entity. They are announced ahead of time for a lot of players so again tickets are available. Older players can be tougher because as stated earlier, people did not think to save this new guys first game ticket.

The hardest modern tickets are for teams that no longer print season tickets. There are 7 teams not printing this year and the number will go up. Keep that in mind if you are collecting contemporary players. So the other day when JD Martinez hit 4 homeruns against the Dodgers, people got agita. Dodgers do not print season tickets. A 4 HR game is not something you know is coming so you can't purchase the ticket ahead of time. Now what? You sit and hope someone who walked up to the game and bought a ticket will part with it! And then you also hope he didn't stick it in his sweaty pocket all night!
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you didn't ask about this, but i'll chime in on the recent trend over the past 5-7 years of sellers hyping season passes as "tickets" to monumental games from that season, i.e. a 1941 Yankees season pass as a ticket to games from DiMaggio's streak. at best this kind of marketing is a reach and at worst it is a flat-out misrepresentation. i don't consider passes to be substitutes for tickets to a specific game. i'm curious if the majority of ticket collectors -- not sellers desperate to make a buck -- feel differently.
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A lot of times the pass did not get you into the game, it got you a ticket! In the 70's we knew someone at a local newspaper who let us use their press pass. We still had to go to a "Courtesy Window" and show the pass and were issued tickets.

Also some people try and sell Stadium Club passes as tickets. And watch out for "seat locators" which they have in Cleveland. Not a ticket!
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The "Quickest flip" thread got me wondering how to order the importance of stubs. I know full tickets generally carry a premium over stubs, all else equal, but as far as the event that happened at the game, how would you order their importance/value? That thread is about a final career HR, which I would guess would be less desirable than first, if for no other reason than the first is usually 15+ years older and harder to find, but I could he wrong. Is a first game more valuable than a 500th HR? Is a first appearance better than a 300th win? I know there's tons of variables, but in broad strokes, I'd love to know how you guys rank them.
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Echoing what others have previously posted, the 1st of anything would be the most valuable, not the later milestone.
Additionally, vintage tickets will always be way more valuable that their modern day counterparts just due to scarcity.
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Somehow I don't think this annual (season) pass holder went to a window to get his 1st World Series ticket. My guess is that he showed this to someone at the gate and they let him in. But hopefully someone knows for sure? I am not positive. Interesting subject.

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annual passes typically were not valid for entry to the world series
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Somehow I don't think this annual (season) pass holder went to a window to get his 1st World Series ticket. My guess is that he showed this to someone at the gate and they let him in. But hopefully someone knows for sure? I am not positive. Interesting subject.



Leon, if he walked in with that pass where did he sit? They still have to assign you a seat. A pass is not a season ticket entitling you to a certain seat.
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There are several types of passes used at professional sporting events. As far as baseball is concerned, they are issued to active players, club and league personnel, media, and selected VIP'S. Additionally there are passes issued for one specific game, for one specific team, for a league, and some which allow admittance to a number of leagues. . There are also general passes , example is a LIfetime pass issued to select executives and players. The illustrated American League pass would entitle the bearer to entrance into an American League park during a specific season.

I cannot speak to the policies prior to World War 2, but in modern times, these various passes are presented at either the press gate / window or in some cases at will call. The pass is released to club personnel , is recorded, and the bearer is presented with one ticket (sometimes more at the discretion of the team). In most cases the passes are returned to the bearer at the same time. Certain one time use or day passes are retained by the teams for accounting purposes. In modern times, all authentic passes will have a number on them to allow for easier inter-office accounting. In some cases the bearer will be responsible for any taxes.

Passes should NEVER be considered as tickets, as there is no guarantee how many, or which, games were attended by the person issued the pass. There is a restriction that these passes are not to be used for All-Star or championship games, and there are many 'unwritten' rules regarding their use. Most people who are granted the passes understand this, and if they do not understand the rules; and violate them; they may lose the privilege . To be a ticket it has to state a seat or (general admission) section where the person will be watching the game from.
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Thanks guys.....still seems this pass might have gotten the holder to a 1903 WS game if not a specific seat? It says ALL GROUNDS 1903, I dunno.
I will have to do some research on early passes to see if they would have entitled the holder of this pass to those games, unless someone knows for sure?
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I have never really been a ticket collector, just saving tickets from games I attended. However, there are games I'd love to try & get tickets for like Game 6 of the 1977 World Series, June 1st (my first game), Pine Tar Game, etc.

I was in attendace for Aaron Judge's record breaking game where he hit 2 home runs to break Mark McGuire's Rookie Home Run Record so I started thinking about collecting the tickets for every game he homered this season. Someone did bring up a great point where there may not be tickets because clubs aren't issuing tickets ahead of time, thus making the task a bit more difficult. I will still try. Where can I look to see the games Judge homered this season?

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