Ticket Stub Indentification

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Does anyone know how to identify this ticket?

I am still learning. Game No. 21 of what year?

Any help would be greatly appreciate. Thanks

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Think I figured it out. Is it a 1954 stub? Home Game 21?

[ooo-ribay]

1954 was a good year!

[ajenks3378]

It sure seems like a 54
If you look at the Yankees stubs it seems the .21 tax was in 1954
Find an old schedule to figure out what home game 21 was because sometimes a rainout occurs
Andy

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by ajenks3378

it sure seems like a 54
if you look at the yankees stubs it seems the .21 tax was in 1954
find an old schedule to figure out what home game 21 was because sometimes a rainout occurs
andy

thanks a lot!

[doug.goodman]

Following along with Andy's point, this might help:

http://www.psacard.com/Articles/Arti...-1933-1947-era


And, here is the 21st home game that they played in 1954:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1...300NY11954.htm

The Giants were originally scheduled to play the Phillies on April 23, but the game didn't happen, it looks to have been made up with a doubleheader on April 25, so that May 30 game with the Dodgers was scheduled as the 21st home game, also.

Doug

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Following along with Andy's point, this might help:

http://www.psacard.com/Articles/Arti...-1933-1947-era


And, here is the 21st home game that they played in 1954:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1...300NY11954.htm

Am I wrong in assuming that the 21st game played may not be the 21st game scheduled due to rainouts etc. and therefore not the game corresponding to this ticket??

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by pherbener

Am I wrong in assuming that the 21st game played may not be the 21st game scheduled due to rainouts etc. and therefore not the game corresponding to this ticket??

You are correct, I updated my post after checking the original schedule in the 1954 Official Baseball Guide that was published by the Sporting News.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

You are correct, I updated my post after checking the original schedule in the 1954 Official Baseball Guide that was published by the Sporting News.

So to be clear, this is a dodgers game right? lol

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

So to be clear, this is a dodgers game right? lol

Yes, Dodgers 5 Giants 3

[YankeeFan]

I am not convinced this is a 1954 ticket.

The excellent PSA article referenced above provides detail about tickets from 1933 - 1947. So, I am not sure what in that article points one to a date of 1954 for this ticket. It does mention however that the Giants used the same printer(s) as the Yankees and employed the same lettering concept.

Combining this with information from another website which helps identify Yankees tickets (http://keymancollectibles.com/tickets/grandstand.htm), we can see some important factors worth considering:

Although the tax in 1954 was .21, that amount was in effect from 1946 through 1954.

During the years in which the tax was .21, the wording on the "tax" line changed a few times. On the ticket we are discussing, the tax line reads "Tax Paid". This wording was in effect from 1946 - 1951.

The reverse of the ticket shows the name of the printing company as "Printed in N. Y. C. Brown Ticket Corp.". According to the "Keymancollectibles" info (Step 5), that matches the wording the company used from 1941 - 1946. However, further down the web page he shows that Brown Ticket Corp. was used in 1947 too.

These three pieces of information lead me to a date of 1946 or 1947.

Now, what about the letter "D" under the game No.? Here's where things get more speculative. The PSA article defines the lettering for 1933 - 1943 and says no letter was used in 1944. Assuming that they restarted the lettering in 1945 and that they started with ""B" because they skipped 1944 (like they started with B in 1934), that would make 1946 "C" and 1947 "D".

I have spoken to David Shakir, the co-author of the PSA article about Yankees tickets in the past, and I seem to recall that he mentioned they did restart the lettering sequence, but I do not recall the details. He's a N54 member, so maybe he will see this thread and chime in.

All this being said, I think I have to cast my lot with 1947, with a possible nod to 1946. Unless I am missing something that the others have seen which strongly indicates 1954, in which case I take it all back

[pherbener]

I apologize, I assumed the date was 1954 based on an earlier post, I haven't had time to research it but Jack, your logic seems sound.

Originally Posted by YankeeFan

I am not convinced this is a 1954 ticket.

The excellent PSA article referenced above provides detail about tickets from 1933 - 1947. So, I am not sure what in that article points one to a date of 1954 for this ticket. It does mention however that the Giants used the same printer(s) as the Yankees and employed the same lettering concept.

Combining this with information from another website which helps identify Yankees tickets (http://keymancollectibles.com/tickets/grandstand.htm), we can see some important factors worth considering:

Although the tax in 1954 was .21, that amount was in effect from 1946 through 1954.



During the years in which the tax was .21, the wording on the "tax" line changed a few times. On the ticket we are discussing, the tax line reads "Tax Paid". This wording was in effect from 1946 - 1951.

The reverse of the ticket shows the name of the printing company as "Printed in N. Y. C. Brown Ticket Corp.". According to the "Keymancollectibles" info (Step 5), that matches the wording the company used from 1941 - 1946. However, further down the web page he shows that Brown Ticket Corp. was used in 1947 too.

These three pieces of information lead me to a date of 1946 or 1947.

Now, what about the letter "D" under the game No.? Here's where things get more speculative. The PSA article defines the lettering for 1933 - 1943 and says no letter was used in 1944. Assuming that they restarted the lettering in 1945 and that they started with ""B" because they skipped 1944 (like they started with B in 1934), that would make 1946 "C" and 1947 "D".

I have spoken to David Shakir, the co-author of the PSA article about Yankees tickets in the past, and I seem to recall that he mentioned they did restart the lettering sequence, but I do not recall the details. He's a N54 member, so maybe he will see this thread and chime in.

All this being said, I think I have to cast my lot with 1947, with a possible nod to 1946. Unless I am missing something that the others have seen which strongly indicates 1954, in which case I take it all back

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by YankeeFan

I am not convinced this is a 1954 ticket.

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All this being said, I think I have to cast my lot with 1947, with a possible nod to 1946. Unless I am missing something that the others have seen which strongly indicates 1954, in which case I take it all back

Great post Jack. I would have to agree with your thoughts.

Also, let's all remember that the websites that we are using to help determine the year, both of which have excellent info, are each actually based on Yankee tickets, and although it seems like an obvious assumption that Giants tickets would be the same...

It is still an assumption.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

so would this be a 47? HAHAHA

I have this as a 54 dodgers giants for my collection but now am confused. Thoughts?

[doug.goodman]

The way I read Jack's post, it is most likely 1946, but possibly 1947...