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Old 02-20-2018, 02:44 PM
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Michael, is Dan Mabey among the "we"? I seem to recall him making a plea on here for research material on the magnificent 1962 JELL-O set in preparation for a book. I for one am very interested in buying his book. In fact, I have a few morsels to contribute if Dan is interested. Would you happen to know how to reach Mr. Mabey? Thanks for your help in advance.


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Michael, is Dan Mabey among the "we"? I seem to recall him making a plea on here for research material on the magnificent 1962 JELL-O set in preparation for a book. I for one am very interested in buying his book. In fact, I have a few morsels to contribute if Dan is interested. Would you happen to know how to reach Mr. Mabey? Thanks for your help in advance.
I don't think he's updating his books but he posts on here sometimes.

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Old 02-20-2018, 04:38 PM
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I have all of Dan's books. He is not the one I am referring to. There is a group of us that got together at the National in Chicago. We had hoped that Dan would meet us there but, he was too busy. I have written a piece on the 63 Jell-O comparing the hard cards in that set with the hard cards in the Post Cereal set. (It was General Foods intent that cards from either, combined could make a set) Once I proof it, I was thinking of sending it to Rich Mueller of Sports Collector's Daily. We have collected quite a bit of data on the 62 Jello set. We know which players are on pudding boxes and which are on regular Jello. However there are still some players we have not been able to ascertain which boxes they were on. I started this thread to see if we could finish that and perhaps identify how many full sets are in existence.
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Old 02-25-2018, 08:01 PM
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One of my prized possessions. You don’t see the complete boxes very often.
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Old 02-25-2018, 08:03 PM
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Here’s one from 63.
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Old 02-26-2018, 08:32 PM
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I would certainly agree that a Post Cereal Master set, as discussed above, is comprised of one card from each each cereal flavor/size that a player appeared on. However I would include a couple of caveats.

1) There are a few players where Post made changes to the narrative at some point in the production run on certain card panels. The Adcock/Adock and Cepeda cards in the 62 BB set are examples of this and in that case you would need (for example) both versions of Joe Adcock (Adcock and Adock) for each of the 10 oz. Grape Nuts, 16 oz Grape Nuts, and the Post Ten Tray since both versions appeared on those panels. (Narrative differences of cards such as Cash, Gentile, and Hanson did not occur on the same cereal boxes, so all those variations are captured by simply getting a card from each cereal flavor they appeared on.)

2) In 1962 for both baseball and football, Post put out two players on two different large Raisen Bran panels. There are discernible cropping differences in each of the two cards for all four players on those BB and FB panels ... and a master set should include both versions of each player.

3) Again in 1962, Post printed panels on two types of the 12 oz. Post Toasties packages (thus creating the "white backs"). While likely fewer collectors would agree, I believe a master set should include both versions of each of those 28 players for each of the sports.

4) Cards from the individual Alpha Bits variety packages (Post Tens and Treat Packs) each are different for most years and a master set should include both versions of these cards.

I so totally agree that the definition of a Master Set can vary and there is not a universally agreed definition. So am not claiming the above is the sole way it should be viewed. I would say though that in discussion with Dan Mabey over the years, believe he agrees (along with other major collectors such as Dave Worley and Fred McKie). This is a good discussion and would love to hear more thoughts on the definition. Have a good day everyone.
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Old 02-26-2018, 09:28 PM
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Ken's points are well taken. I agree with all of them. For Jell-O master sets, there are some differences that I have noted. I will scan and post them and add detail at that time.
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Old 02-27-2018, 10:15 AM
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As promised here are a couple of scans of some Jello cards.
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Old 02-27-2018, 10:17 AM
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Some more
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Old 02-27-2018, 10:29 AM
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As you can see from the previous 2 scans, the cards of each player are different. The Jose Pagan card is from 6oz Jello. You will note that the statistics box is a much paler yellow than the others. All of the others are from 3oz Jello boxes. It is difficult to say which box the cards might be from without having full boxes to compare to. I will use the Joe Koppe cards as an example. This is pure speculation based on Dan Mabey's description of the rotogravure printing process. In his explanation the front of the cereal boxes dominate the color schemes. I am using that assumption for the Jello boxes. The Koppe with the bluish background I labeled as 3oz Orange Jello. The Purplish background Koppe I labeled as 3oz Blackberry. The front of the Orange Jello would have Oranges on the front. You can see this in the full box that was posted here by BaseballCrazy62. The Blackberry box would have Blackberrys on the front thus causing the mix to be darker making the background purplish instead of bluish. Again this all pure speculation.
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