1860s Stereoview - Barry??? Corey????

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Anyone know what team this is and perhaps a reason why it went so high? Or maybe it went low considering the content?....Don't know but would appreciate any expert opinions.

http://tinyurl.com/2lryxz

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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman

Not 60's

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Posted By: Rhys

The larger oversized stereoview mounts usually date to the mid 1870's and you find a lot of centennial exposition photos on that larger format (taller than a normal stereoview) so I would place the age at about 1872 at the VERY earliest to about 1882 or so. The team is most likely not significant as it was a Vermont photographer and he mentions Vermont scenery in the photo. I cant think of a single prominant team from Vermont even in the pre-professional days. It is still a nice photo and a great early stereoview. I was watching it and was planning on bidding up to about $300 but not nearly at the level it ended at. It is a nice item though.

Rhys Yeakley

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Posted By: ramram

That's an 1870's military team. The stripe on the side of the pants, kepis on their heads and the fellow at left is wearing double-breasted frock coat. I too am suprised at the price.

Rob M.

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Posted By: Al Simeone

I dont really think the buyer bought the piece because of it being Baseball. I think he bought the piece because of its link to the civil war.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I'm not so sure about that Al....the winner (bdctiger) bids against me all the time on 19th century baseball photos.

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Posted By: 1880nonsports

we all had the same idea. Despite being a creature of the 1950's I was able to google the photographer. With further research one could get more specific information as there is a register compiled of all such stereoviews that were produced IN SERIES by known photography studios (certainly incomplete but it's a start). I think of these people as mini Burdicks - compiling information selflessly in a quest to quantify a particular aspect of a hobby/love and making research easier for us all. Many specialty collectors in the genre and I feel this price anomally was due to a baseball interest. I used to collect baseball game in progress pre 1890 photos on a poor man's budget. I have not seen this image before but the uniform and kepi's belie it's generic content. I would guess the typical selling point of an image like this to be in the 200. and change range. DOUBTFUL that this was a civil war collector as there is a lack of worthy content.

(edited to add the word "series" and to note that orange was introduced in the mid-1870's as a mount color. The images which appear to be albumen photographs were used up until the very early part of 1900's but mounts were made darker in the 1890's for a more elegant look - and mounts were typically curved after the 1880's to allow for better clarity and contrast when viewed in a stereoscope.)

(final edit to note that there really only 2 competing bidders once it reached a reasonable level.)

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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman

Most of the 1860s SV's have square corners.
The photographer's caption in the front was used mostly in the 1870's, while in the early 60s, photographer's placed their information using a pasted label on the back and later on a checklist of their views printed on the card stock.
The thickness of the mount is also something to check.

I'm not an expert, but I've handled a pretty good bunch of baseball views from the 60's and 70's.

Here are some examples:

Mid 60s (65-66)

Late 60s (68-69)

Early 70s (70-72)

Mid 70s (76)


I always try to buy SV's with good 3-D "focus"... It's always fun to recreate the effect using new technology. Think it worked with a great SV from Rob M. once.

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Posted By: ramram

It's definitely post civil war (1865) per the military uniform style and the stereoview card style.

Jimmy did a nice job on a civil war/baseball stereoview that I have. If I can locate it again I'll post it on here.

Rob M.

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Posted By: ramram

Found it -

Here is the link to my stereoview that Jimmy did his 3-D trick with:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1153974000/

Rob M.

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Posted By: 1880nonsports

gotta love the tech.. I'm throwing my table and hand-held stereoviewers away

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hi Dan- sorry I'm so late, but this is the first I saw this thread.

The picture is too small and there is simply not enough information to identify. Nice image though.

For Rhys: did you get the image I sent you of Bob Allen per your request on the other board? I never received an acknowledgement and wondered if you ever got it.

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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus

It's a nice image, though as Barry said, too small to attempt an identification. As to the price, I don't think its that high considering the image as well as the possibility that it might be of a team (or contain a player) of some significance.

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Posted By: Jimmy

I do have to agree with Rob "That's an 1870's military team" with a larger field in the background and the one building on the hill - and the look of the uniforms. Many baseball Steroviews show more people around and have different characteristics, this photo is very unique

Jimmy

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Posted By: Rhys

Barry

I got the email but I could not get the attachment to work. Can you try again or maybe post it here and I will save it to my computer? My next step in the process is finding someone who lives near Mobile Alabama who can spend a few hours at the library for me tracking down Bob Allen's other son.

Thanks Again Barry

Rhys

themodo@hotmail.com

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hi Rhys- I'll ask my wife tonight if she can figure out what went wrong with the scan. Hopefully she will have some time, as I am computer semi-literate.

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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus

When did you graduate from illiterate to semi-literate!? (I would put the smiley up, but I forgot how (speaking of computer literacy))!

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Posted By: barrysloate

Well, I know how to post on Net 54...hence the semi!

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Posted By: Rhys

Barry

I think I have the image now since I see you just posted it on ebay. I guess I need to buy the card now. I have over 600 letters and telegrams from his estate and have gone to his hometown for research, but not a single Old Judge card yet. I guess I can call it Christmas Present.

Rhys