Need advice ASAP on PSA ticket grading

[T_Hamilton]

Hey guys -

Won this on eBay tonight.... 1932 World Series Game 3 ticket stub, from the game that Ruth called his shot. Has been a holy Grail item for awhile. Of course need to get this graded right away. Would love your opinion on the authenticity and what is best for grading. Should I try and get a numerical grade or just authentic. Any and all input needed and needed ASAP. Thank you!

Taylor

[T_Hamilton]

Front of ticket

[Lordstan]

While I am no expert on tickets, it certainly does appear to have the correct aging characteristics.

I have to ask, why did you spend over $2k on an item without a firm knowledge of it's authenticity? I don't understand why people don't ask before they buy stuff.

Lastly, I am not sure why you feel you NEED to get it graded right away. Grading certainly an option, but it's certainly not needed. Unless you think it's going to get some really high numerical grade, not sure you need to spend the extra money for a number.

It's a great ticket. Enjoy.
Mark

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

While I am no expert on tickets, it certainly does appear to have the correct aging characteristics.

I have to ask, why did you spend over $2k on an item without a firm knowledge of it's authenticity? I don't understand why people don't ask before they buy stuff.

Lastly, I am not sure why you feel you NEED to get it graded right away. Grading certainly an option, but it's certainly not needed. Unless you think it's going to get some really high numerical grade, not sure you need to spend the extra money for a number.

It's a great ticket. Enjoy.
Mark

I would completely agree with Mark on this. In my mind the only reason to grade a ticket with a numerical score is if you felt that it would score very high (8-10) and you planned to resell it.

BTW, if you ever do resell it, the auction house will pay to have it PSA graded before putting it in their auction, which begs the question, why spend your hard earned cash now?

[T_Hamilton]

Both valid points. I did some extensive research before I bid. In my opinion there are multiple benefits to grade, especially right away. 1) if for any reason it comes back as questions authenticity I can get my money back via the sellers 30 day money back guarantee, 2) the slab is a good way to preserve and protect the ticket and 3) the grade on this ticket is important as very few have been graded and even fewer have been graded a specific grade. This specimen in my opinion could get a nice grade.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

1) if for any reason it comes back as questions authenticity I can get my money back via the sellers 30 day money back guarantee,

Fair enough. Still why spend that much on something you aren't sure of, but it's your money. So spend it as you wish

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

2) the slab is a good way to preserve and protect the ticket

True, but so is any $5 hard plastic case.

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

3) the grade on this ticket is important as very few have been graded and even fewer have been graded a specific grade. This specimen in my opinion could get a nice grade.

Again, grade doesn't matter at all unless you plan to sell it now. As Scott said, when you go to sell it most large AHs, will get it slabbed and graded before selling it. I would keep keep the money to spend on other stuff. BTW, from a quick search, it appears that you set a new price record for a ticket from this game. Being that it sold for even more than any slabbed version I could find ever has and had at least 4 bidders above 2K, not sure the slab does add a whole lot more value.

Ultimately, it's your money. Spend it as you will and be happy.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

Both valid points. I did some extensive research before I bid. In my opinion there are multiple benefits to grade, especially right away. 1) if for any reason it comes back as questions authenticity I can get my money back via the sellers 30 day money back guarantee, 2) the slab is a good way to preserve and protect the ticket and 3) the grade on this ticket is important as very few have been graded and even fewer have been graded a specific grade. This specimen in my opinion could get a nice grade.

This is why PSA spends so much on advertising.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

Hey guys - Of course need to get this graded right away.
Taylor

WHY? Will anything PSA says change what this is? It's a genuine ticket to the game. It sat in someone's pocket when Ruth did--or didn't--call his shot. You can see it's in great condition.
Why piss money away?

[megalimey]

Hi my name is David
I am an actual PSA consultant when it pertains to Regular Season Yankee Tickets , in my opinion you should 10000% get this slabbed by PSA and no other company please regardless of price savings
to make sure it is authentic , I was watching this ticket on sell on ebay
I personally know two of the bidders you were up against they would know it was real hence their bids , I give it a 999.9 % of being real however as far as condition by the looks of the ticket it has some rounded corners maybe a possible dinged corner, soiled slightly round the edges but I cannot tell if it has any wrinkles or creases based on none of these issues it would come back as a VG 2 maybe a VG 3 but not much higher they grade by the same strict standards as a Baseball card
FYI you have to pay a $100 extra to get it done in ten working days, also the valuation for insurance based in price paid
for $50 it is 45 working days which actually can take longer
bottom line your into it for nearly 3 grand so for a couple of hundred more
its slabbed in tamper evident casing you then can show it to your to whoever with out fear of being damaged or mishandled , what ever you do not put it in a screw down plastic holder , any questions contact me
thanks David

[megalimey]

I also forgot to mention
for all those people that say do not waste your money on getting a ticket slabbed especially by PSA
look at completed sales , the top 500 highest prices paid for ticket stubs
in the USA in the last 5 years have been slabbed 95% by PSA
and a 100% of the top 150 , I guess the naysayers no less than the general public

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by megalimey

I also forgot to mention
for all those people that say do not waste your money on getting a ticket slabbed especially by PSA
look at completed sales , the top 500 highest prices paid for ticket stubs
in the USA in the last 5 years have been slabbed 95% by PSA
and a 100% of the top 150 , I guess the naysayers no less than the general public

Can you post a list of the Top 150, I'd be curious to see it?

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by megalimey

I also forgot to mention
for all those people that say do not waste your money on getting a ticket slabbed especially by PSA
look at completed sales , the top 500 highest prices paid for ticket stubs
in the USA in the last 5 years have been slabbed 95% by PSA
and a 100% of the top 150 , I guess the naysayers no less than the general public

Please post your name if you are going to be giving an opinion about a company. Also, if you know two of the top under bidders on this, and you feel confident that they know it is real, why does it need to be graded to determine it is real?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by megalimey

Hi my name is David
I am an actual PSA consultant when it pertains to Regular Season Yankee Tickets , in my opinion you should 10000% get this slabbed by PSA and no other company please

Gee... A guy who works for PSA grading tickets says it's an absolute must that this ticket be graded, and graded by nobody but PSA.

I'm shocked.

(My name is David, too.)

[Shoeless Moe]

This one graded by SGC did pretty good ($14,340.00), so curious to see the 150 that did better than it.

http://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball/...ription-071515

and this ungraded by anyone didn't do too bad $11,352,.50

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/19...ription-071515

but again curious to see the 150 that beat these guys.

[Lordstan]

David(Megalimey).

I see you seem to think that there is a lot of value in grading. It's not surprising that you do, considering you work for the company that provides the service and would probably be out of a job if nobody used the service.

Your example about all those high end tickets is pretty misleading as most of the major auction houses will automatically send high end tickets, cards, and autos to be slabbed and graded. If all the major auction houses send tickets in for grading and all the high end tickets get sold through the biggest auction houses, it stands to reason that most of the tickets with the highest realized prices will be slabbed. Unfortunately, for you, that doesn't prove that the slab actually impacted the price. This specific ticket proves this point exactly. This 32 WS ticket was auctioned, without a slab/cert, not in a major auction house, and still sold for more than any comparable ticket I could find in any condition. If slabbing is so important, I am curious as to how you would then explain this? Why didn't the others that were slabbed sell for so much more?

Taylor,
You can find plenty of ticket specific screw downs that will protect it just fine without having to give a TPA $50-100 to tell you that a ticket you know to be real is real. I am just flabbergasted at how people have been brainwashed to think that slabbing somehow universally makes things better or more valuable.
Mark

[megalimey]

THE LAY MAN /SLASH RICH COLLECTOR of tickets
likes to display there items being slabbed allows that, unlike the OLD school collector who stuffs them away in a box loosy goose , eventually dying and leaving no clue as to their value , family member sell them for pennies on the dollar , as they look like nothing special in an old scrapbook or in a cigar box
Slabbing tickets just like slabbing a Mantle rookie card is for the time it eventually gets sold long or soon after your dead , its about preserving the condition , would you by a 1851 Gold coin for more money Raw unslabbed
or a PCGS graded coin I know where I would spend my money
I agree there are very few fake tickets if any , but the new to the Hobby does not know that , and this are where the hobby is heading Up scale man caves
who have deep pockets
so can you just except this is where the high end part of the hobby is heading
there are a sprinkling of raw tickets sold for thousands verses 10s of thousands
sold for $1000s so obviously you non believers are in the very small minority

[megalimey]

check out heritage Auction ticket archives last 12 months
top highest 1-38 results
highest price $67,000 - $6,000 PSA slabbed top 32 out 38
were PSA 2 SGC
sure for one RAW ticket that sells for over 10 grand there are two that sell for that Slabbed

[keithsky]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Gee... A guy who works for PSA grading tickets says it's an absolute must that this ticket be graded, and graded by nobody but PSA.

I'm shocked.

(My name is David, too.)

I agree with you Dave. The guy works for PSA and is probably on the payroll by them and surprisingly he says you should get tickets graded and slabbed. Now that's funny

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by keithsky

I agree with you Dave. The guy works for PSA and is probably on the payroll by them and surprisingly he says you should get tickets graded and slabbed. Now that's funny

Bad enough they advertise a lot,, do they need a shill on Net54?

[mcgwirecom]

Heres the deal, I sell tickets all the time in big auction houses. I send them in for the auction and they insist on having them PSA graded. So almost all the stubs that go into big auctions get graded by PSA. Not my choice, theirs. So thats why all the top selling stubs are all PSA graded, the auction houses insist on it. I think its so it takes all the responsibilty off of them. After its slabbed and graded they put it in the catalog with PSA's description. Psa said it's real, PSA said it NMT, etc.

[Leon]

Hi David
Per the rules, at the top of every page in bold letters, please put your full name in your posts when giving opinions.Thanks.

BTW, I don't think grading a ticket is a bad thing. Heck if it increases the value more than the grading cost I would say it's a win. I picked this one up already graded. Not a ticket, and shown a few times before, but close enough for this argument....

Originally Posted by megalimey

Hi my name is David
I am an actual PSA consultant when it pertains to Regular Season Yankee Tickets , in my opinion you should 10000% get this slabbed by PSA and no other company please regardless of price savings
to make sure it is authentic , I was watching this ticket on sell on ebay
I personally know two of the bidders you were up against they would know it was real hence their bids , I give it a 999.9 % of being real however as far as condition by the looks of the ticket it has some rounded corners maybe a possible dinged corner, soiled slightly round the edges but I cannot tell if it has any wrinkles or creases based on none of these issues it would come back as a VG 2 maybe a VG 3 but not much higher they grade by the same strict standards as a Baseball card
FYI you have to pay a $100 extra to get it done in ten working days, also the valuation for insurance based in price paid
for $50 it is 45 working days which actually can take longer
bottom line your into it for nearly 3 grand so for a couple of hundred more
its slabbed in tamper evident casing you then can show it to your to whoever with out fear of being damaged or mishandled , what ever you do not put it in a screw down plastic holder , any questions contact me
thanks David

[megalimey]

Hi in my opinion getting PSA authenticated does several positive things
and here are the PROS's
most important, A shows its Genuine to the average Layman with the PSA Label noting the event
B: encapsulated which preserves its current condition ,
C: you can show it to all all your friends with out fear of damage or poor handling
D: it will be eventually sold to some one else unless your planning on living for ever or your family will want to cherish it , its not like you went to the game, so it will get at least a Fair shot of maximum price either on ebay or any other of the major auction houses
these are the PROS !!!!!!!!
here are the con's , sorry cannot think of any maybe the paltry minor cost of about $75 to get it authenticated ,

[Lordstan]

David,
I am not sure why you felt the need to answer this thread again.
Obviously you like slabbing because you work for PSA and have a vested interest in people continuing to do so. My assumption is that you posted so that it would be the last post in the thread that people would read perhaps without reading all the posts above.
If you read many of the posts above you will see how each of your points has been shown to be without merit.

Let me help summarize...

Originally Posted by megalimey

A: shows its Genuine to the average Layman with the PSA Label noting the event

In significant as the majority of the people buying this type of ticket will know what they are looking for.

Originally Posted by megalimey

B: encapsulated which preserves its current condition ,

So can any $5 holder.

Originally Posted by megalimey

C: you can show it to all all your friends with out fear of damage or poor handling

So can any $5 holder. Plus if someone is idiot enough to let their friends handle a ticket of this magnitude without it being in some holder they are the ones to blame for any damage.

Originally Posted by megalimey

D: it will be eventually sold to some one else unless your planning on living forever or your family will want to cherish it , its not like you went to the game, so it will get at least a Fair shot of maximum price either on ebay or any other of the major auction houses

Considering that research that was done above showed that unslabbed versions of this ticket actually sold for more than slabbed versions, I am not sure how you can actually think it is logical to make the exact opposite conclusion.

Originally Posted by megalimey

here are the con's , sorry cannot think of any maybe the paltry minor cost of about $75 to get it authenticated ,

Perhaps you can't think of any because you work for PSA in their ticket division.

Anyway, for people reading, slab if you wish. It's your money to spend. I don't see the value, as I would rather spend the money, spent on slabs, to buy more stuff. Either way buy what you enjoy.

[perezfan]

Well said!

I can think of a con.... The slabs are ugly.

[T_Hamilton]

I started the thread... And I will close it...I got the ticket stub slabbed for peace of mind... It's in a tamper proof case, it got a psa 3 (only 8 graded higher) and it's a great item in my collection! Thanks to all who helped with opinions and thoughts... It's discussions like these that make the community so great!

Now on to the next find:-)

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

I started the thread... And I will close it...I got the ticket stub slabbed for peace of mind... It's in a tamper proof case, it got a psa 3 (only 8 graded higher) and it's a great item in my collection! Thanks to all who helped with opinions and thoughts... It's discussions like these that make the community so great!

Now on to the next find:-)

You drank the Kool Aide, Taylor. Only eight graded higher? Oooh... I hope you understand that that does not mean there are only eight better. You have no idea how many may exist in better condition. How many are owned by sophisticated collectors who don't need some spotty-faced kid working for PSA to sell them his opinion.