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Old 05-16-2018, 09:18 PM
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2009 Bowman Super Refractor went for 400k.

Obviously an extreme price and once again hard to know the direction it will go. Honestly would have never dreamed a card so new could command that.
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After 14 years Robinson Cano got caught using steroids.I wouldn’t want to be holding a 400k card of cano right now.
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No, he tested positive for a diuretic medication.
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I can’t imagine we will need to wait long before another Jeter SP hits the market, or even a few of them...


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According to PSA only five of these have hit public auctions since 2012--out of 10,000 graded. That's pretty damn rare.

On top of that--and I know people say Jeter is overrated, yada yada--he was the face of the Yankees for almost 20 years. The demand will always be crazy high for his stuff. Throw PWCC in the mix and bam, 99K. I hope the sale actually goes through.
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I can't suggest I understand the price either. That said the formula is very simple.

Low supply of cards available creates high prices. This might be an anomaly it might not. The card will never be cheap again. It is a platinum level card and once they become that it is really hard to predict the peak. It can be much higher than you can dream.

Last sale I believe was 54k so quite an increase. That was high from prior sales in the mid to high 30's. Fast market.
I wish low supply = high prices.

It's all about the hype.

Lets test it.

Each of these are the only one. Not a manufactured 1/1 there just aren't any more. Any takers on either at say $50K they're hall of famers, and 22 times as rare as the Jeter 10. So the should be like 220K right?

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According to PSA only five of these have hit public auctions since 2012--out of 10,000 graded. That's pretty damn rare.

On top of that--and I know people say Jeter is overrated, yada yada--he was the face of the Yankees for almost 20 years. The demand will always be crazy high for his stuff. Throw PWCC in the mix and bam, 99K. I hope the sale actually goes through.
Many more than that according to VCP.


5/6/17 Memory Lane Image 37 $54,576.00
12/11/16 eBay Image pristinecomics r***g Best Offer $38,000.00
11/13/16 eBay Image pwcc_auctions m***s 49 $37,600.00
5/5/16 eBay Image krissy1371 n***d BIN $31,000.00
2/21/15 eBay Image heritageliveauctions o***a 3 $30,000.00
2/21/15 Heritage Image 13 $35,850.00
12/22/13 eBay Image mnmiracle2004 w***4 Best Offer $32,500.00
12/20/13 Memory Lane Image 12 $33,842.40
6/15/13 eBay Image mnmiracle2004 n***s Best Offer $36,500.00
5/20/12 SCP Auctions Image 20 $24,450.00
1/28/11 eBay Image desirableitems l***0 BIN $19,999.00
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Many more than that according to VCP.


5/6/17 Memory Lane Image 37 $54,576.00
12/11/16 eBay Image pristinecomics r***g Best Offer $38,000.00
11/13/16 eBay Image pwcc_auctions m***s 49 $37,600.00
5/5/16 eBay Image krissy1371 n***d BIN $31,000.00
2/21/15 eBay Image heritageliveauctions o***a 3 $30,000.00
2/21/15 Heritage Image 13 $35,850.00
12/22/13 eBay Image mnmiracle2004 w***4 Best Offer $32,500.00
12/20/13 Memory Lane Image 12 $33,842.40
6/15/13 eBay Image mnmiracle2004 n***s Best Offer $36,500.00
5/20/12 SCP Auctions Image 20 $24,450.00
1/28/11 eBay Image desirableitems l***0 BIN $19,999.00
How many of those were the same card selling multiple times?
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How many of those were the same card selling multiple times?
What difference would that make unless a sale did not actually go through?
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I wish low supply = high prices.

It's all about the hype.

Lets test it.

Each of these are the only one. Not a manufactured 1/1 there just aren't any more. Any takers on either at say $50K they're hall of famers, and 22 times as rare as the Jeter 10. So the should be like 220K right?



I was commenting specifically on the Jeter. There are loads of cards with limited availability but with limited demand.

22 copies in a 10 isn't exactly high.
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As a good hobby friend and dealer said to me years ago, sometimes the only thing rarer than the supply is the demand. That has been brought home to me on many occasions, including when I got pennies for the highest graded (or close to it) copy of Johnny Mize's rookie card.
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What difference would that make unless a sale did not actually go through?
Because WillBBC said that only five of these have hit public auctions since 2012. He didn't say that there have only been five auctions of these cards since 2012. I didn't check VCP to see if any were sold more than one time
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Because WillBBC said that only five of these have hit public auctions since 2012. He didn't say that there have only been five auctions of these cards since 2012. I didn't check VCP to see if any were sold more than one time
What's relevant is the number of auctions, no? PSA just missed some that's all. Even of their 5, 2 are the same card.

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I never really followed the prices of this card until I saw this thread that it is suddenly a $100,000 card in PSA 10. Like Peter, I don't really "get" the PSA 10 thing.

The card is $100,000 in PSA 10 and less than $300 in PSA 8. On the same night PWCC auctioned off the PSA 10, PWCC auctioned off two PSA 8s and they sold for $260.55 and $276.02.

Most of my collection is stuff outside the big four sports, but I think I would be satisfied buying an "8" for $300 and using the other $99,000 for Ruth, Cobb and Wagner cards that are actually rare.
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To me, if by taking it out of the holder you destroy 90 percent or more of its value -- meaning that 90 percent or more of its value is in the flip -- it makes no sense. And I think that's a fair assumption in this case, nobody (unless they had some real in with PSA) is going to pay even 10K for a raw Jeter I don't think.
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Given the price tag on the SP, the holders of the 2 PSA10 1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold must be ecstatic. True rookie year, only 30 printed (supposedly) and only 2 PSA 10s out of 13 total graded. How high could one of those go in the right auction environment?
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The same guy on ebay has had numerous Select Certified Mirror cards seemingly for years, at incredibly high prices, and it doesn't look like any ever sell.
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When you talk about "most" 9s, how many of the 500+ have you personally examined? And how many 10s?
I've seen quite a few 9s and most have a visible flaw. I've even owned a couple. I have only seen a couple of 10s but could see the difference. As opposed to say an 89 ud Griffey where if you covered up the flip I would not be able to tell the difference between most 9s and 10s.
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Can Brent or Courtney (or anyone familiar with buyer or seller) confirm if this was a true real sale or not?
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Can Brent or Courtney (or anyone familiar with buyer or seller) confirm if this was a true real sale or not?
Would you expect Brent to acknowledge it if it wasn't?

I doubt Cortney has anything to do with it.
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I've seen quite a few 9s and most have a visible flaw. I've even owned a couple. I have only seen a couple of 10s but could see the difference. As opposed to say an 89 ud Griffey where if you covered up the flip I would not be able to tell the difference between most 9s and 10s.
Interesting. I guess the concept of a mint card with a visible flaw still eludes me. If you can see corner wear, or maybe surface scratches which are common for this issue, shouldn't it be less than Mint?
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Yea minor, but visible. I get the argument that the small flaw shouldnt take it from a card worth 500, or even 5k, up to 100k. But that card in a 10 has been an iconic and expensive card for a while now, although I believe most sales over the past few years have been in the 30-50k range.
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There is currently a psa 10 1993 so jeter has n EBay right now with a bin 125k
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I was looking at buying a unopened box @ Memory Lane last night, place a bid under the 'market rate' and still got outbid. Dang! People are definitely wanting these. No bargain deal to be had. I mean, you can buy them on Ebay for 2k-2200, and they end up paying 2336.40 +s/h

I saw the guy on PSA boards open his box and got 2 Jeters.
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I was looking at buying a unopened box @ Memory Lane last night, place a bid under the 'market rate' and still got outbid. Dang! People are definitely wanting these. No bargain deal to be had. I mean, you can buy them on Ebay for 2k-2200, and they end up paying 2336.40 +s/h

I saw the guy on PSA boards open his box and got 2 Jeters.
It makes no economic sense. Based on pop report only 1 in 20 Jeters is even going to get a 9.
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+100 Totally agree.
You have to pull a '9' just to break even.
Talks about more folks ripping and submitting more 8-9's is probable.
And as mentioned, it floods the market on those and hypothetically may raise the value on 10's.
But realistically?? Just DONT OPEN IT!!!
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So if I have a BCCG 10 Jeter that I purchased years ago for about $175, does it make sense to cross it to PSA? Or another, better option like SGC or BVG? The BCCG 10 is about $400-500 on eBay. Thanks for thoughts...


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I never really followed the prices of this card until I saw this thread that it is suddenly a $100,000 card in PSA 10. Like Peter, I don't really "get" the PSA 10 thing.

The card is $100,000 in PSA 10 and less than $300 in PSA 8. On the same night PWCC auctioned off the PSA 10, PWCC auctioned off two PSA 8s and they sold for $260.55 and $276.02.

Most of my collection is stuff outside the big four sports, but I think I would be satisfied buying an "8" for $300 and using the other $99,000 for Ruth, Cobb and Wagner cards that are actually rare.
Mr. Trebek, I'll take a 7 and a Maserati for $100,000.
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I was looking at buying a unopened box @ Memory Lane last night, place a bid under the 'market rate' and still got outbid. Dang! People are definitely wanting these. No bargain deal to be had. I mean, you can buy them on Ebay for 2k-2200, and they end up paying 2336.40 +s/h

I saw the guy on PSA boards open his box and got 2 Jeters.
As I understand things the card stock (which sticks together) and the packaging make it most unlikely that a 10 can be pulled from unopened.
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It makes no economic sense. Based on pop report only 1 in 20 Jeters is even going to get a 9.
True, and that's 1 in 20 of those someone thought was worth submitting.
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Mr. Trebek, I'll take a 7 and a Maserati for $100,000.
A 7? That is only a $130 card. Maserati or not, you're not going to impress anyone with a 7.
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It makes no economic sense. Based on pop report only 1 in 20 Jeters is even going to get a 9.

I opened an SP box 2 years ago. 0 Jeters. So theres that too.

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I like Jeter. Think he played the game the right way. But the love fest that the modern fan has with the guy makes me scratch my head. And $100,000 for a non autographed rookie is the height of insanity. I don't care what the grade is.

He got 3,000 hits, so he should be in the Hall. But outside of hitting for average (.310 is good, I will give him that), tell me what Derek Jeter did that was exceptional?
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I like Jeter. Think he played the game the right way. But the love fest that the modern fan has with the guy makes me scratch my head. And $100,000 for a non autographed rookie is the height of insanity. I don't care what the grade is.

He got 3,000 hits, so he should be in the Hall. But outside of hitting for average (.310 is good, I will give him that), tell me what Derek Jeter did that was exceptional?
Not saying I would pay $100k, but Jeters numbers are impressive, not to mention he played his entire career for one team and played only one position his entire career (he played more games at SS than Robin Yount and Ernie Banks added together).

A five-time World Series champion, Jeter is regarded as a central figure of the Yankees' success of the late 1990s and early 2000s for his hitting, baserunning, fielding, and leadership.

He is the Yankees' all-time career leader in hits (3,465), doubles (544), games played (2,747), stolen bases (358), times on base (4,716), plate appearances (12,602) and at bats (11,195). His accolades include 14 All-Star selections, five Gold Glove Awards, five Silver Slugger Awards, two Hank Aaron Awards, and a Roberto Clemente Award. Jeter was the 28th player to reach 3,000 hits and finished his career ranked sixth in MLB history in career hits and first among shortstops.

The only players with more career hits than Jeter are Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial and Tris Speaker. And you have to remember all of Jeters postseason records, all time postseason hits leader, etc.

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I like Jeter. Think he played the game the right way. But the love fest that the modern fan has with the guy makes me scratch my head. And $100,000 for a non autographed rookie is the height of insanity. I don't care what the grade is.

He got 3,000 hits, so he should be in the Hall. But outside of hitting for average (.310 is good, I will give him that), tell me what Derek Jeter did that was exceptional?
So are you saying 100K for an autographed rookie would be rational?
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I like Jeter. Think he played the game the right way. But the love fest that the modern fan has with the guy makes me scratch my head. And $100,000 for a non autographed rookie is the height of insanity. I don't care what the grade is.

He got 3,000 hits, so he should be in the Hall. But outside of hitting for average (.310 is good, I will give him that), tell me what Derek Jeter did that was exceptional?
He did the image thing exceptionally well, particularly in contrast to his teammate ARod who was far and away the better baseball player.
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Not saying I would pay $100k, but Jeters numbers are impressive, not to mention he played his entire career for one team and played only one position his entire career (he played more games at SS than Robin Yount and Ernie Banks added together).

A five-time World Series champion, Jeter is regarded as a central figure of the Yankees' success of the late 1990s and early 2000s for his hitting, baserunning, fielding, and leadership.

He is the Yankees' all-time career leader in hits (3,465), doubles (544), games played (2,747), stolen bases (358), times on base (4,716), plate appearances (12,602) and at bats (11,195). His accolades include 14 All-Star selections, five Gold Glove Awards, five Silver Slugger Awards, two Hank Aaron Awards, and a Roberto Clemente Award. Jeter was the 28th player to reach 3,000 hits and finished his career ranked sixth in MLB history in career hits and first among shortstops.

The only players with more career hits than Jeter are Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial and Tris Speaker. And you have to remember all of Jeters postseason records, all time postseason hits leader, etc.
Impressive stats for the Yankees. Other than he hits he amassed. never won any categories that would qualify for triple crown and MVP
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Article mentions name of buyer.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...aign=editorial


I noticed that one of the underbidders had 14 retractions. To me that's never a good sign. Do you think that this had any impact on the closing price?
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I saw a article that someone paid $400,000 for a Trout rookie/special card
After $400k for that Trout card, $100k for that Jeter is a steal. Remember, it doesn't take a consensus to determine value, just a couple of well funded hotheads. I'm calling it now, this Jeter is a $500k in the next 20 years.
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After $400k for that Trout card, $100k for that Jeter is a steal. Remember, it doesn't take a consensus to determine value, just a couple of well funded hotheads. I'm calling it now, this Jeter is a $500k in the next 20 years.
Imagine if it gets a purple sticker.
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I noticed that one of the underbidders had 14 retractions. To me that's never a good sign. Do you think that this had any impact on the closing price?
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After $400k for that Trout card, $100k for that Jeter is a steal. Remember, it doesn't take a consensus to determine value, just a couple of well funded hotheads. I'm calling it now, this Jeter is a $500k in the next 20 years.
Based on the publicity that is written in the article above and likely others, you are likely correct.

Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, I assume his other cards are also likely to take off soon, if they haven't already?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Pinnac...QAAOSwns1a94~h
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Impressive stats for the Yankees. Other than he hits he amassed. never won any categories that would qualify for triple crown and MVP
Yeah guess he could have taken steroids and won 7 MVPs like Bonds.
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There are already two more PSA 10’s listed. I wonder if the underbidders will go for them (likely not).

The funniest part is that the guy said he paid a premium because PWCC was the seller.
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There are already two more PSA 10’s listed. I wonder if the underbidders will go for them (likely not).

The funniest part is that the guy said he paid a premium because PWCC was the seller.
That's rational.
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There are already two more PSA 10’s listed. I wonder if the underbidders will go for them (likely not).

The funniest part is that the guy said he paid a premium because PWCC was the seller.

...not only that, he was also the consignor

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