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Old 08-12-2017, 10:52 AM
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This is just pure and simple fraud and this scum should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This type of act is what undermines people confidence in the hobby and i dont care if he apologized with simple fact he ripped people off.
The law is more concerned with ISIS using EBay to send money than some random guy scamming people out of a few dollars on t206s.
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:57 AM
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The law is more concerned with ISIS using EBay to send money than some random guy scamming people out of a few dollars on t206s.
He has totally undermined the entire set though. If someone was building the set, they now have to realize their entire set is based on a lie.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:32 AM
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What a disgrace, this guy low. I guess could see a crook trying to rob a bank to score a million bucks, but to destroy a set of cards, to tarnish many peoples collections for a few dollars each card sold..... shameful. Im not a t206 collector, but forgive & forget? Thats not in my vocabulary
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:27 PM
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He has totally undermined the entire set though. If someone was building the set, they now have to realize their entire set is based on a lie.
I'm not sure that I see a difference between Topps putting legit T206 cards in their generic frame and someone else putting legit T206 cards in the same generic frame.

By generic I mean no identifier as to what's in it.
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:13 AM
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So nobody else was impressed by his miraculous comeback from terminal cancer in 2009???
yes another guy that needs to sell cards for medication or is getting out of the hobby or doesnt need the money....again, i have posted a number of times about who cares for the reasons that someone claims to sell a card for and its only your fault as a buyer if that caused you to buy an item.


As for the issue of not making much on a fraud and why would someone do that. People like to get the 'one over' on people. Makes them feel smart and they enjoy the challenge. Its not aways about money

However he probably sold cards to pay his gas money to and from AA and then to ABC..
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:10 AM
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I can't believe any collector is defending this guy or his activities. This group pillories auctioneers for charging a few extra dollars for shipping and has vicious wishes for anyone who soaks a card to improve its appearance but has to debate this turd's activities???? This is fraud, as clear as it gets. By Larry's own admission he did it several dozen times, took a cheap T206 and a cheap Topps holder, put them together, listed them for sale on eBay as part of the Topps T206 buy-back issue, and made a profit by misleading bidders about what they were getting. Collectors value the Topps promotion more than the raw cards: the fact that buyers paid a premium over the value of a crappy T206 to get these Frankenstein items, proves it. I don't see any gray area here.
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I'm not sure that I see a difference between Topps putting legit T206 cards in their generic frame and someone else putting legit T206 cards in the same generic frame.

By generic I mean no identifier as to what's in it.
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The only value I see is the T206 inside the generic holder. If Topps had a master list available with the names and quantity of each T206 they inserted, and the frames were marked accordingly, you might then have an item with a perceived value above the inserted T206 value.
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:56 AM
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The only value I see is the T206 inside the generic holder. If Topps had a master list available with the names and quantity of each T206 they inserted, and the frames were marked accordingly, you might then have an item with a perceived value above the inserted T206 value.
The perceived value is obviously above the T206 value, as shown by the spreadsheet provided by Leon and the fact that Larry continued to do this for years. I personally don't see the augmented value, but obviously some collectors do.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:07 PM
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Peter,
I agree that some people do value the Topps 206 buy back above the inserted T206 value. Leon has provided the members of the board with proof of Larry's scam, and harm to this issue by taking his own time to work the spreadsheet and then provide it. I hope those affected will be made right. I also hope Topps takes needed steps to protect and document future buy back issues to prevent the fraud attached to this issue.
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Old 08-13-2017, 06:57 PM
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He has totally undermined the entire set though. If someone was building the set, they now have to realize their entire set is based on a lie.
How could you undermine a set if Topps was not inserting a complete set of T206's in the packs? There would be no set to complete unless Topps said there were a certain number of cards to collect and each was numbered. If Topps acquired several thousand Doc White or Bunk Congalton cards but only a few Pete Cassidy or William Nattress cards how could they possibly create a set for collectors to work on? They were marketing these so that the pre-war collectors would spend their money with Topps. Merely a marketing ploy. It cannot be all stick and no carrot if you are trying to separate people from their money.
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