1910 Punch Ty Cobb card etc....

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Posted By: runscott 

Ryan,I'm ignorant about both of these baseball card-related issues, but just so you get an answer and it doesn't get lost in the "National Convention" thread:

What would you guess is the existing population of the 1910 Punch Ty Cobb card? How many of those do you think still have the back attached? How many 1910 Punch cards total still have the back attached? Why is there no card of Adolfo Luque in the 1923-24 Billiken set?

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Posted By: Kenny Cole

Cobb has a zillion cards, although I'd guess that the population of his Punch cards is probably less than 10 total. I'd also guess that fewer than half of which still have the back attached.

The better questions about the Punch set are: 1) is Grant "Homerun" Johnson really in the set; and 2) where can I find a Punch Pete Hill? I'll take both the Hill and the Johnson with or without backs attached.

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Posted By: jay behrens

can someone post a pic of these cards?

Jay

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Here is a picture of some Punch cards, all missing the backs. Cobb is on the second row from the top - far right.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Here's a scan of the Armando Marsans card. It measures 1 1/4" by 1 7/8". The stock is photographic, but this is an example of one without the backing as is normally the case. In fact, every single one in the scan Andy posted above is without the backing.

These are incredibly rare, back or no back, but those with backs carry a huge premium as there are only about 4 or 5 known with them. The backing is on a brownish cardboard stock, a bit thicker than a normal baseball card, but not a firm backing like an Old Judge. There is a border on the front of the backing that outlines the photographic card. The photographic card (like the Marsans for example) would be pasted directly onto the backing. On the reverse is text about Punch Cigarros.

There are many similarities to Old Judges and most Punch cards that exist remind me of "skinned" Old Judge cards.

They were issued to commemorate the visits to Cuba of the Detroit Tigers and Philadelphia Athletics for a series of games against Cuban professional teams in 1910. Marsans is seen here as a member of the Almendares team. On July 4th of the following year he and Rafael Almeida would become the first Cubans to play in the Major Leagues (technically, Esteban Bellan was the 1st when he debuted in 1871 with the Troy Haymakers of the National Association). As with so many Cuban cards, they spelled the name incorrectly. It reads "Marzans" instead of "Marsans".

I've done fairly extensive research into the 1910 Cuban visits of the Tigers and Athletics and have come up with what I believe is a fairly accurate checklist of cards that SHOULD be in the set. Whether or not they were actually produced or still exist is another matter. I'm planning to add a page to my website about this issue in the near future.

By the way my guesses to questions I posed earlier are as follows:

Number of 1910 Punch Ty Cobb cards that currently exist: 1

Number of 1910 Punch Ty Cobb cards that have the backing: 0

Those are only educated guesses. It's possible a couple more are out there, though. Believe me, I'm looking for them. But haven't come close to finding any yet.

-Ryan

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Posted By: jay behrens

Didn't realize they are Cuban cards. That explains why I never heard of them. I was out of the hobby when all these Cuban sets started appearing on the market.

Jay

[arduengo79]

Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Here's a scan of the Armando Marsans card. It measures 1 1/4" by 1 7/8". The stock is photographic, but this is an example of one without the backing as is normally the case. In fact, every single one in the scan Andy posted above is without the backing.

These are incredibly rare, back or no back, but those with backs carry a huge premium as there are only about 4 or 5 known with them. The backing is on a brownish cardboard stock, a bit thicker than a normal baseball card, but not a firm backing like an Old Judge. There is a border on the front of the backing that outlines the photographic card. The photographic card (like the Marsans for example) would be pasted directly onto the backing. On the reverse is text about Punch Cigarros.

There are many similarities to Old Judges and most Punch cards that exist remind me of "skinned" Old Judge cards.

They were issued to commemorate the visits to Cuba of the Detroit Tigers and Philadelphia Athletics for a series of games against Cuban professional teams in 1910. Marsans is seen here as a member of the Almendares team. On July 4th of the following year he and Rafael Almeida would become the first Cubans to play in the Major Leagues (technically, Esteban Bellan was the 1st when he debuted in 1871 with the Troy Haymakers of the National Association). As with so many Cuban cards, they spelled the name incorrectly. It reads "Marzans" instead of "Marsans".

I've done fairly extensive research into the 1910 Cuban visits of the Tigers and Athletics and have come up with what I believe is a fairly accurate checklist of cards that SHOULD be in the set. Whether or not they were actually produced or still exist is another matter. I'm planning to add a page to my website about this issue in the near future.

By the way my guesses to questions I posed earlier are as follows:

Number of 1910 Punch Ty Cobb cards that currently exist: 1

Number of 1910 Punch Ty Cobb cards that have the backing: 0

Those are only educated guesses. It's possible a couple more are out there, though. Believe me, I'm looking for them. But haven't come close to finding any yet.

-Ryan

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