T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Silverskulls]

Hi all—

Would love assistance with some detective work:

According to the centennnial edition of Inside T206, the only cards known to be vertically miscut AND show 2 different players are from P350-only sheets. It was a result of the Pirates winning the 1909 WS and being long-printed with some sharing vertical rows with other players.

However, I recently acquired an Old Mill back Doc Casey that is vertically miscut, and features a different player at the bottom of the card.

1) Has anyone seen an OM miscut like this?
2) What could be the explanation for the vertical positioning of the different cards like this? Were players alternating vertically in OM?
3) Who might the player with the dark blue background be?

Thanks in advance for your input and expertise. Looking forward to hearing theories.

Justin

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Silverskulls

However, I recently acquired an Old Mill back Doc Casey that is vertically miscut, and features a different player at the bottom of the card.

1) Has anyone seen an OM miscut like this?
2) What could be the explanation for the vertical positioning of the different cards like this? Were players alternating vertically in OM?
3) Who might the player with the dark blue background be?

Thanks in advance for your input and expertise. Looking forward to hearing theories.

Justin

Hi Justin

#1....I have seen quite a number of mis-cuts like your Casey (but not Casey....seen other T206's).

#2....Multiple printings (vertically) of the same T206 subject was commonplace. Followed by a different subject (above and below) that subject.
This process was independent of the T206 back. Since the fronts were printed first.

#3...." Who might the player with the dark blue background be? "

Casey is a 350-only Series subject, and many T206's in this series have dark blue backgrounds. It's anyone's guess which T206 is below Casey.


TED Z
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[Silverskulls]

Thank you, Ted! Very helpful. The string is a treasure trove.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Silverskulls

Hi all—

Would love assistance with some detective work:

According to the centennnial edition of Inside T206, the only cards known to be vertically miscut AND show 2 different players are from P350-only sheets. It was a result of the Pirates winning the 1909 WS and being long-printed with some sharing vertical rows with other players.

However, I recently acquired an Old Mill back Doc Casey that is vertically miscut, and features a different player at the bottom of the card.

1) Has anyone seen an OM miscut like this?
2) What could be the explanation for the vertical positioning of the different cards like this? Were players alternating vertically in OM?
3) Who might the player with the dark blue background be?

Thanks in advance for your input and expertise. Looking forward to hearing theories.

Justin

I think you can cut this down to a handful of serious candidates.

I might have missed a couple of the dark blue subjects from print group 2
but if you eliminate the ones that haven't been confirmed or are Old Mill
no prints you're left with these candidates.

Batch
Bender (with trees)
Brain
Cree
Knight (with bat)
Krause (portrait)
Livingstone
Quillen

Bender and Cree have different back patterns than Casey and there is a
Livingstone two name PD350 with Maloney at the top so if you eliminate
these three as strong candidates you're left with these five.

Batch
Brain
Knight (with bat)
Krause (portrait)
Quillen

If you have these five in hand to compare with your Casey you
might be able to narrow it down further.

Very nice card congratulations on picking it up!

[Pat R]

Like I need an excuse but the Nascar race was rained out and it's
cool and overcast here so I was bored.

The colors vary from card to card and can also vary on the same
card with different scans.

These are all Old Mill's and I didn't resize the scans because
I didn't want to distort the colors.

Casey - Batch.jpg

Casey - Brain.jpg

Casey - Knight.jpg

Casey - Krause.jpg

Casey - Quillen.jpg

My choice would be Knight or Krause slightly favoring Knight.

[tedzan]

Justin

Also, either one of these Hal Chase cards could have been the card below your Casey card.

These cards were initially printed on an early 350-only series sheet (circa Spring 1910).







TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Justin

Also, either one of these Hal Chase cards could have been the card below your Casey card.

These cards were initially printed on an early 350-only series sheet (circa Spring 1910).







TED Z
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You're right Ted I didn't factor in the super prints or the unconfirmed
Old Mill's with Blue backgrounds and any of them could have been the
card below Casey. I wouldn't consider the Chase blue portrait a strong
candidate though since there's a two name PD350 of Chase with
Zimmerman on top.

[Silverskulls]

Thanks guys so much for all of your expertise. I'll continuing digging and see if I can get closer to confirming the blue card showing at the bottom, or figuring out what the card above Casey might be.

Justin

Originally Posted by Pat R

You're right Ted I didn't factor in the super prints or the unconfirmed
Old Mill's with Blue backgrounds and any of them could have been the
card below Casey. I wouldn't consider the Chase blue portrait a strong
candidate though since there's a two name PD350 of Chase with
Zimmerman on top.

[tedzan]

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I'll continue on this topic with my most recent purchase. A little over 5 years ago I acquired 291 tobacco cards. This collection comprised of 274 - T206's and 17 - T205's.

The T206 group of cards had a good mixture of stars in Vg-Ex to Ex condition. And, an eclectic group of rare backs. Especially, these two "goodies"...…



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The T205 group of 17 cards comprised of a couple of Minor Leaguer's, SP cards (Rowan, Vaughn, etc.), some commons and one star......





TED Z
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[tedzan]

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My title for this post is taken from a very good 1973 Baseball movie featuring Michael Moriarity and Robert De Niro. Check it out if you have not seen it.


Back in the 1970's and 1980's, DRUM cards (of both T206's and T205's) were considered the scarcest tobacco cards. Of course, this isn't true anymore.
The T206 BROAD LEAF 460 and the T205 HINDU (respectively) are tougher cards to find than DRUM.

New DRUM cards continue to come out of the wood-work. The most significant find in recent years was Ron Oser's which included 51 - DRUM cards.

DRUM cards were printed on subjects in the 350-only series and on subjects in the 350/460 series. The DRUM cards were issued circa Summer/Fall of 1910.

FYI the confirmed T206 DRUM cards (as of today) are listed here......



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DRUM backs confirmed....total = 159 subjects


350-only subjects.................... 123 subjects

Abstein
Adkins
Arellanes
Armbruster
Atz
Barbeau
Jack Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Becker
Bescher (portrait)
Bliss
Burke
Bush
Carr
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (yellow portrait)
Charles
Clark

Cobb (red portrait)
Congalton
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Egan
Engle
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Freeman
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Hallman

Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Danny Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (Portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Jackson
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh

LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Maddox
Maloney
Marshall
McAleese
McBride
McGann
Matt McIntyre (Detroit)
Milan
Milligan
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty

Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (batting)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Purtell
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm

Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
Jess Tannehill (Wash.)
Taylor
Thielman
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub

Warhop
Willett (bat)
Zimmerman


350/460 subjects..........................36 cards

Baker
Bender (no trees)
Burch (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Murphy (bat)

Nichols (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (New York)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


OK guys,
Your turn to show-n-tell us of your T206 DRUM cards.



TED Z
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