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Old 04-09-2017, 02:00 AM
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Default 1951 Wheaties Premium Photo Mickey Mantle

I recently won this card raw in an auction (really I was just very lucky) after chasing it for the last 20 years. When you have a very small budget and collect Mickey Mantle cards, you sort of recognize that certain cards will be unattainable. You're just never going to own one; I came to grips with the fact that I'll never own a 1952 Topps 311. I'm OK with it. Maybe old and gray one day. Maybe. So that, 51 B, 52B, 69 Super in any kind of decent grade (I always felt a really nice 3 or better was good enough for me) would always elude me. Whenever I save for a high end card, something important takes that money. And I'm not complaining. This is luxurious hobby for vintage collector. At least I hope that it is. And for a number of reasons, price chief among them, I had the Wheaties rookie card on the list. A bit of a dream come true to own one and the card will ship to me Monday. The good folks at SGC will be grading what I am hoping will be their twelfth shortly there after. I have graded this card from the scans a 4 so its pretty much guaranteed to be a 3 (at best). That is a reflection on BOTH my lack of skill as a grader AND my inability to see the flaws in my own cards. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, I am and always have been absolutely fascinated by this card. The scarcity (of graded ones anyway), the only photographic picture of Mickey at such a tender age on a rookie card, and the (near) fact that this card is a nice 'photoshop' job by an artist from the 1950s who doctored a rather famous photo from the 1952 World Series by adding pinstripes and removing the background. I am aware of theories that surround the card (and the others from the set) but I have never seen definitive proof of an issue date - here or elsewhere. I searched these threads pretty well and while each theory had solid supporting evidence, I never saw a 'final verdict' on the date of issue for the set.

So I am starting this thread in the hopes of accumulating more information (total graded population, history, lure, what happened to them, recent sales - literally anything) about the card and to (hopefully) see a few - graded or raw - from those who may have one - beaters, gems, whatever you got. I'll get the ball rolling now and I'll also post the card below when it comes back graded from SGC - which, coincidentally, is when I will actually be happy. I have not made a decision as to whether or not I will sell the other items from the lot (since you'll see them, too, below) despite already receiving some nice offers from some of the good members of net54.
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Old 04-09-2017, 06:54 AM
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There have been a few threads here in the past about this card. I believe the card was issued at some point between late 1952 and 1955. A board member posted the original photo used for the card which had a note saying the picture was taken during the 1952 World Series, which is likely since I'm 99% sure Ebbets field is in the background. The only non-Hall of famer in the set is Al Rosen who was the 1953 AL MVP, so that could pinpoint the issue date between late 1953 and 1955. However, I have yet to see any evidence that can 100% date this issue to a specific year.

I'm writing this quite quickly so sorry for any grammar or spelling errors.

Hope some of this info helps,

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Old 04-09-2017, 07:51 AM
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I already saw this one below from 2009. Fabulous read. Many excellent contributions and theories but sort of light on facts - apologies if anyone is offended by this statement when it comes to actual issue date. After reading it, I agree that it is highly probable that it came out in 1952 or later.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=175675
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:20 AM
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It's a 1951 issue per the main grading companies and that is good enough for me .

(In reality, it's pretty conclusively not from that year). Probably 1953 or later.
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:41 PM
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The original link to the Getty photo, discussed in the 2 major threads on the 1951 Wheaties Premium Mantle is here (Click the right arrow, 4th photo):

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The photo was dated “1/1/55” and it was later concluded that Getty's dating of the photo was incorrect. The original photo was taken in Oct of 1952 (see below). In addition, they speculated that the pinstripes were added to the photo.

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Old 04-09-2017, 10:50 PM
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See the reverse of the image, which indicates this photo was taken 10/6/52 at Ebbets Field.
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Old 04-10-2017, 05:20 AM
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See the reverse of the image, which indicates this photo was taken 10/6/52 at Ebbets Field.
Yeah, I got tons of info from your earlier thread link (above).

Thank you very much!
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:33 AM
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I wanted to add an update to the thread but also not overdo it, still being a new guy and all. Here's where we're at:

The card lot that I won arrived last week. All 4 items look pretty nice in hand and obviously I immediately took a closer look at the Wheaties card. I guess card is a bit of a misnomer, as it is more photo than card, but I consider it a card (and I have the microphone so YOU WILL LISTEN! - Robbie Hart ). Anyway, the corners seemed a little rounded - not too bad - and it seemingly had no creases (no lab but good eyesight and a small LED flashlight with a dark basement). And then all of a sudden I realized that I have absolutely no idea how to grade it since it is unlike any card I have ever handled. As a card, I would call it a hopeful '4' but I really don't know if the standards I am applying hold any water. Like I said, it's more photo than card and its 5x7 size and lack of comparable cards I've ever handled kind of leaves me up in the air. I will stress that I truly don't care about the grade it receives; it's rarity* and it's image - he looks like a high school senior - more than do it for me. This is probably the closest thing I'll ever have to a rookie card for my Mickey collection as I am way too cheap. Lastly, according to my calculations and tracking, I should get a receipt confirm email that it has arrived at SGC at some point today. I will post again when the card is finally home to me again, hopefully by middle of next week...

*I'll mention again, I would love to see other people's copies - graded or ungraded - for the point of both comparison AND drool inducement. In my research, I know some people on here have one (or more) and I'm curious if they know more about the withertos and whyfores of how their scale is applied to this type of issue.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:51 AM
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Here is mine.....I got this at a Sterling auction maybe 3-4 years ago. I purchased this even though it isn't a card because I am a Mantle collector. The size of the card is somewhat cumbersome....

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