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Old 04-18-2017, 12:04 PM
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I sold my ungraded copy a while back, but it was pretty well worn--I wish I had a photo of it. As for pulling these from a box, etc., I think that is highly unlikely. I honestly am not sure these were ever directly distributed to the public. If you look at the pop reports, the vast majority of these are in high grade, suggesting that they could have made there way directly into the hands of adult collectors. The one I had was one of the only ones I've seen that exhibited real use and looked to have been out there in the general public for some period of time. Just my thoughts.
Do you know if BVG or GAI ever slabbed one? I added up PSA and SGC but can't access the other pop reports. If not, there's 80 graded copies with hopefully mine being number 81.

I'm about 95 percent sure it's authentic
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Old 04-18-2017, 01:05 PM
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Do you know if BVG or GAI ever slabbed one? I added up PSA and SGC but can't access the other pop reports. If not, there's 80 graded copies with hopefully mine being number 81.

I'm about 95 percent sure it's authentic
I don't know as I haven't typically focused on pop reports outside of PSA, as that one typically drives prices. As for yours, I am 100% certain it is authentic as it is not fake.
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Old 04-18-2017, 01:48 PM
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They aren't photos, but lithographs on stock comparable to the Dexter Press Premiums. So if someone wants to call them cards, that should be fine. Without clicking on the link and reading all that, I had always heard that they were un-issued test issues (or prototypes or whatever you wish to monicker them) and originated from a General Mills executive.

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Old 04-18-2017, 03:49 PM
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They aren't photos, but lithographs on stock comparable to the Dexter Press Premiums. So if someone wants to call them cards, that should be fine. Without clicking on the link and reading all that, I had always heard that they were un-issued test issues (or prototypes or whatever you wish to monicker them) and originated from a General Mills executive.
David,

That would explain why the General Mills archivists had nothing in their files regarding this....

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Old 04-18-2017, 10:59 PM
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Tim:

I did no work. Only asked the question. Others DOCUMENTED WHEN the photo was taken.

It's no skin off my nose if you accept it it 100% or the 90-95% you are comfortable with.

Just curious how you can not be 100% when the photo was taken at the World Series in 1952. What more do you need to convince you?

You say your sister in law makes the same face in all her photos? Is her entire pose the exact same? Her eyebrow not raised in one? Her elbow in the same exact position, her lips parted the same, her fingers on the same exact place on her bat, her hat the same distance from her ear?



Get what I am driving at?

When is your birthday? How can you be sure? Your parents told you, but other than that what proof do you have? I would be skeptical if I were you. :>) just as you are about when the photo was taken.

I do agree that it is too late to change any designation for the set. It will always be 1951 Wheaties even though there is now proof ( in some of our eyes) that it can't be 1951, and I have seen no proof it is even a Wheaties issue. It looks more like an early version of the Jay publishing photos to me.

Fred
Would have been a lot easier to simply get another photo of Mantle in the same pose at the same angle than to clean up the '52 photo and add the pinstripes. Far from proven it is the very same photo. I seem to recall that Bob Lemke categorized it as being from '51 based on them originally coming out when a Wheaties exec retired (Mantle's consent to use the photo was reportedly never obtained) and that person's statements regarding the date of origin. But to each his own. That the grading companies have not changed the date of issue may or may not be significant, but I think it's hardly likely that they simply are ignorant of the threads appearing on Net54. For my money, it will stay a 1951 issue long after all the posts here have been forgotten. Quite a nice early Mantle in any event, and it is in fact a card rather than an actual photo, as it has a halftone printing dot pattern.

Just my buck and a half's worth.

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Here is mine... There are two PSA 9's out there somewhere.
*It live, but my intention is about the description. The hype about the rising prices on 52's and the ocean dumping (which has nothing to do with the item) and so on and the glory of it being a rookie 1951. And being offered #1 in the AH lisiting.
I would love to see all the hard data put forth on this board to dis-prove the fact. Love to see mention 52 world series and etc.
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While I truly was hoping to wait until I had card in hand and post the photo with the news, I have to share the outcome now:

When I logged on to the SGC website yesterday, I was doing so because I hadn't since I got one of those super emails. If you are like me, then you'll agree with me; one of my favorite things is when they notify you that your card arrived safely. Major sigh of relief and then...well...you know what you are in for and Tom Petty was totally correct: the waiting IS the hardest part. Since I had put it in for 3 day service and it's an oversized card, I anticipated it taking a little bit longer - as indicated on the website. The 5x7 card size (and therefore, insert and holder size) isn't super common so I completely understand. It hadn't even been three full days yet anyway. However, I clicked on the invoice and there it was: a shipped date and a grade of 40 (3). This is a moment of pure joy for me; most of my Mickey cards are 3-5's and I try not to dip below a 3 (I have one still that I will upgrade eventually). So like I said originally, this was going to be all mentioned when I have card in hand (sounds like Monday) but when I logged back in today, the population report had already been updated! I wanted to credit SGC for their terrific turnaround time and updating of the population report. They now have 12 graded, and seeing that 1 under the 40 column and knowing it will soon be in my hands is a feeling unlike any I've had as a collector and one that, frankly, I may never have again.

As such, I wanted to share my excitement with all of you and add a note of gratitude as well. I won't go into great detail but there is literally no chance I even find this card for sale were it not for having joined this wonderful community. I don't know if there really is a ball field out in Iowa where the legends still play baseball but when they disappear into the corn after the game, I bet they log on to Net54...

You bet your bottom dollar a picture will be posted.

Thanks to all and please keep posting any more photos of your own, information you may have or anything else related!

Tim

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Old 04-20-2017, 12:46 PM
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Told you it was real Glad to see you got a solid (and seemingly fair) grade on it! It's going to really like sharp in that holder.
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Old 04-20-2017, 01:37 PM
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So like I said originally, this was going to be all mentioned when I have card in hand (sounds like Monday) but when I logged back in today, the population report had already been updated! I wanted to credit SGC for their terrific turnaround time and updating of the population report. They now have 12 graded, and seeing that 1 under the 40 column and knowing it will soon be in my hands is a feeling unlike any I've had as a collector and one that, frankly, I may never have again.

As such, I wanted to share my excitement with all of you and add a note of gratitude as well. I won't go into great detail but there is literally no chance I even find this card for sale were it not for having joined this wonderful community. I don't know if there really is a ball field out in Iowa where the legends still play baseball but when they disappear into the corn after the game, I bet they log on to Net54...

You bet your bottom dollar a picture will be posted.

Thanks to all and please keep posting any more photos of your own, information you may have or anything else related!

Tim
Congratulations, Tim. I am so very happy for you! Thanks for beautifully sharing your feelings and joy. WHAT EVER YEAR the premium is from, and WHETHER IT IS ACTUALLY A TEST ISSUE HAILING FROM A GENERAL MILLS PROJECT EXECUTIVE, that is one beautiful Mickey Mantle item. I have always loved this picture of Mickey. The mesmerizing look of concentration in his eyes.....

Looking forward to seeing a picture of your bounty.

Hey, you never know, some day later on this year you might pull off another good find for your collection.

Do you think it's about time you buy a copy of my book, NEVER CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN? If not, no hard feelings, but I think if you relish an item such as the Wheaties Premium, you would get a kick out of what you'd read in NEVER.

Enough of that. Just keep enjoying your latest prize, and savor the memory of the "1" underneath the SGC POP category for "40".

Take care. ---Brian Powell

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Old 04-23-2017, 03:05 PM
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Default The 81st Known Copy - 12th Graded by SGC

One thing I found curious is the designation of 'Hand Cut'. It's finally home...
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