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I have never considered late 70s as vintage. My cut off would be 1973, the last set with high numbers, 1974 cards being issued as a single series. 80s cards are not and will never be vintage in my mind.
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To me modern starts with multiple manufacturers in 1981. For quite some time I cut off my own collection at the Brett rookie in 1975 -- should have kept it that way!!
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Vintage is anything older than I am!
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I'd put the cutoff in the 1970-75 range. It will be quite a while before junk era cards will be considered vintage in my opinion. I see your point about production numbers, but to me vintage is more than just a certain number of years old. There has to be some element of desirability and rarity.
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When I was a kid ( 1990s) I was talking to a old time dealer. It was in Garfield NJ his name was Bob he had a mustache and was always smoking( yes in the card show ). I ask him what he thought and he said most people thought 1969 and back was vintage. He also told me that 1969 Topps WAS OVER PRODUCED. So I always just kept 1969 as the cut off for vintage. But I do agree that the 80s should be vintage in today’s world.
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I just got back into collecting again this year, so FWIW... I guess I always figured "vintage" was 1980 (or a case could be made for 1979).
Mostly because there was just one company, AND we never considered the cards worth much money. That is until the price guides came out and were around (at least in my circles) in the early 80's. But, 1973 really makes more sense because at least some of the cards were more rare. Last edited by silvor; 12-24-2017 at 06:57 PM. |
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Your definition will depend on your age
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I can picture Bob now --- yep in those days some people smoked IN the card show. Such a different world. I probably saw you at some of those local Garfield shows when I would come up to visit Rich
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Lol I know it’s still my favorite show. We probably did at least cross paths as I always attend that show. There was two other bobs is I remember. One that was under the stairs . The other was bob with the big beard that sold packs and boxes. I the the beard retired and I see him there from time to time. He was my absolute favorite person to buy Packs from and probably still is.
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Vintage
The term should absolutely change as the years progress. 50 years from now, will you not call 88 donruss vintage?
1991 Topps was the last year of the soft, pulpy paper stock. So at some point, I believe this will be the accepted cut off year. As for right now, I consider 85 and back to be vintage. 86 and forward is modern to me because of the drops in set value.
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To me the modern era started with double knit uniforms, so pre-72ish or so.
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I like the division on the board, pre war, post war , and post 1980. I hate the word vintage almost as much as the word poppage
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I hear you but nothing is worse than poppage.
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It's an interesting question, when I started collecting (and was aware of the organized hobby) was probably about 1980, and vintage was 1960. Do kids today think 1998 is vintage?
I guess it reminds me how much I've aged and how different this hobby to me than it was back then. Finding "old" cards back then was exotic, now you can get pretty much any Topps card throughout their history online. I remember I met a kid who had 1970-71 cards, I gave up just about anything to get those exotic cards. |
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I will concede you this point Jeff. I did say almost
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A grape by any other name
Two different categories of neologisms, but I agree that vintage should only be applied to wines.
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I also hate it when I have to go to a dictionary to find out what someone here is talking about
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maybe a new category for the 80s will develop...but wont be vintage which makes me wonder....if there is 80s music and 90s music...what will the music be called in the 00s and 10s...we just call it 2000s and 2010s? That doesnt sound as good as the 20s and 30s.. |
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I would agree, although I would use 1972, as this was the last set with true high numbers, the 1973's being printed as a single series also, and issued that way in parts of the country.
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I've always felt that the Topps 1985 set is final "vintage" year.
The 1985 set included the last player/manager card (Pete Rose), a farewell to Yogi Berra and great HOF veterans (Ryan, Carlton, Fingers, Reggie Jackson). Gary Carter as an Expo, I could go on forever. Anyway, it was the final set that had the "vintage feel". It also passed the torch to the next talented/bad behavior generation (Gooden, McGwire, Clemens, etc..). Anything after 1989 can not be accepted as vintage anytime soon. Last edited by Chuck9788; 12-25-2017 at 12:52 PM. |
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When I was a kid and was buying "old" cards, they were from the 50s and 60s. It was rare that I would stumble upon a T card or a Goudey era card, but I had a couple. It is funny to think that I thought those 1950s Topps cards seemed so old at the time when in fact they were no more than 25 years old. At 10 years of age though, 25 years is a very long time.
If I were that same kid now, using the same standard, I might be buying 1993 Topps cards, amazed at how old they are. Unless the hobby changes significantly with regard to how cards are made it will probably always be hard for anyone who bought cards older than about 1993 to consider UV coated cards to ever be "vintage". And final food for thought, those fairly commonly seen T-206 cards are well over a Century old now.
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Vintage is just a year's worth of grapes
Seems like just a semantic quibble to me. Vintage is a subjective measure, as it is with wines, so it doesn't necessarily refer to value, just age. Sort of like a number of vintage card collectors.
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Vintage by definition means classic, important, quality and of enduring interest. I guess you have to determine what that means to you.
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For me, anything made after the Topps monopoly has ended will be the end of the Vintage Era and the beginning of the Era Of Gluttony.
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I would agree with others who have said it largely depends on your age, when you started collecting, and what other associations or memories you have with the hobby. I started collecting out of packs at age 9 in 1986. Within a year or so I had discovered the world of "old" cards through shops, shows, and antique malls (we didn't use the word "vintage" back then...) and I remember considering 1970's cards fairly new because they weren't much older than I was. I thought of 1950's cards (especially issues like '55 Bowman, '55 Topps, '56 Topps) as "old" because of the coloring and size and how cool they were. But a 1973 Topps card? Probably not so much.
These days my children play sometimes with a bunch of my old leftover '86 Topps commons, and I don't know if they have any clue how old those cards are. They do know they aren't particularly valuable, LOL.
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It's funny, I think the term 'vintage' is a moving target for most of us. When I was little in the summer of '73, my brother came home from his friend's house and showed us all of these crazy old cards he got. In hindsight they were 1966 Topps, as I always remember one of them was Tom Tresh, whose name I giggled at. In other words, these ancient relics of the past were only 7 years old!! We considered them sooooooooooooo frickin' old.
For me, I guess I go with around 1973-1975 and older as being vintage. It just saddens me that cards from the 80's are considered vintage in some circles. Yowza.
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This - series issue ended in 1973. After that more hobbyists and buying sets complete vs assembling
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