T206 Christy Matthewson

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Posted By: Trevor

Hi, I purchased a T206 Christy Matthewson card off of ebay, from a seller that seems credible. "sports authentic apparel" but i have a few problems with it. Okay so the print seems correct, the first letter of Natl is bigger and such, the back is slightly fuzzy, but crease free. On the front there is what appears to be a very glossy sticker, and on the right hand side there is another black line, on the edge, like it was cut from a sheet. Any ideas? I dont knwo how but I can post a pic...
Thanks

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Posted By: DJ

The problem is that I'm not sure exactly WHICH Christy Mathewson you purchased from this seller who has...well, quite a few high priced T206's and seems to specialize in them as well as $30 signed Micheal Jordan photos.

Pick one!

5227376640 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $201.50 1909 T206 Christy Mathewson (Black Cap) Rare
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5227377066 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $127.50 1909 T206 CHRISTY MATHEWSON (portrait)
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228007694 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $202.50 1909 T206 TY COBB (bat away) American Beauty
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228008205 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $113.71 1909 Ramly Tobacco EDDIE PLANK BASEBALL CARD
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228008814 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $376.00 1909 T206 TY COBB (Green Back Portrait) TOLSTOI CARD
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228009271 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $300.00 1915 Cracker Jack HONUS WAGNER No. 68 BASEBALL CARD
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228336196 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $102.51 1909 T206 CHRISTY MATHEWSON (white cap)
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228337861 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $177.50 1911 T205 Gold Border CY YOUNG Tobacco Card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228338337 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $305.00 1909 T206 Ty Cobb (Bat On Shoulder) baseball card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228338874 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $125.05 1909 T206 CY YOUNG (white cap) Sweet Caporal Card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228339247 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $108.49 1909 T206 TRIS SPEAKER Sweet Caporal Tobacco card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228339609 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $326.00 1909 T206 TY COBB Tobacco Card (red back) Card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228339934 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $127.50 1909 T206 CY YOUNG (portrait) Sweet Caporal Card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228340201 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $127.50 1909 T206 CY YOUNG (throwing) Tobacco Card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228340544 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $81.00 1909 T206 CHRISTY MATHEWSON (portrait) Card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
5228341041 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $237.50 1911 T205 Gold Border TY COBB Card
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!

DJ

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Posted By: dan mckee

Those cards are no good. His rating is atrocious! anything under 99.2% is terrible. They look like laser prints. Send it back and call him on his guarantee.

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Posted By: Josh K.

I agree that they are fake - ignoring the other warning signs, the colors look all wrong.

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Posted By: Trevor

5228336196 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $102.51 1909 T206 CHRISTY MATHEWSON (white cap)
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!
i bought this one, thanks, I will send it back, i feel like jackass now

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Posted By: dennis

just noticed that this seller is NO LONGER A REGISTERED USER on ebay. his money back guarantee is probably as good as the cards he sold. trevor,i hope this works out for you,keep us posted.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

been booted...or left. Well, I'll try to look for it anyhow...YURG..what a wealth of phony cards!

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Posted By: dan mckee

and you were shilled by a bogus bidder. DOn't feel bad, it has happened to everyone on this board and if they say not, then they are not being honest. How did you pay? I have some suggestions for you. Dan

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hey Trevor, I see this listing...

eBay # 5228336196 Aug-10-05 Aug-17-05 20:30:00 PDT $102.51 1909 T206 CHRISTY MATHEWSON (white cap)
SATISFACTION GUARANTEE OR MONEY BACK!

Are you "fizzly" on eBay??

If so, let me know how the transaction pans out. Alvaton is in an adjoining county, about 45 minutes from where I live. I will be more than happy to contact the Warren County Sheriff to have them contact you and enquire into the matter.

Frank.

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Posted By: Trevor

wow, well i paid with bidpay, who i have contacted, but i dont knwo what they can do. I have the card, and like i said its a piece of crap. The address that it was shipped from is:
Sports Authentic Apparel
49 Hanover Drive
Orem, UT 84058

This makes me especially mad because I just got back from Iraq, and was looking to buy myself something sorta nice... like a welcome home present type thing.

Oh well, if you could contact the police and have them call me that would be great, email me at trevor.jones1@us.army.mil and I will give you my phone number, thanks.

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Posted By: Josh K.

Trevor,

Welcome back - if you have any questions in the future about dealers, cards, etc. feel free to ask - if a dealer is legit, someone here will have dealt with him/her and will be able to at least let you know you needn't worry about getting ripped off. Hope it works out. Good luck.

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

Any idea as to why so many forged cards come out of Kentucky and Ohio? It has to be more than a coincidence. Perhaps there is someone flooding the local flea markets with these things.

In any case, this seller is no longer a registered user.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Welcome Back, Trevor. I just want to second what Josh said, if you have any questions about a deal or dealer feel free to ask.

Lee

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Posted By: jay behrens

Dan, you might be stretching a bit. I can honestly say I've never unwittingly purchased a bogus card. The only one I got was the SK Thorpe that was sold with a SK Hubbell. I was pretty sure the Thorpe was fake, but positive that the Hubbell was real. I BIN'd the lot and sure enough, the THorpe was fake and the Hubbell was good, but the seller did give me the money back on the Thorpe and I got a SK Hubbell at reall good price.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: Trevor

So that ass that sold me the fake emailed me back, and said this:
i appreciate you contacting all my customers and getting my account shut down. i am actually in the process of doing the same to you. you are the type of scum that people hate dealing with on ebay and did not even give us a chance to work things out with you. its too late now that you got us shut down because we did have a return policy but you just ruined that now that you contacted everyone. dont email again because we have blocked your email address on here.

-authenticapparrel

the funny thing is I did not contact Ebay or Bidpay until after he was no longer an ebay member, I even emailed him before i posted on here! Furthermore I did not contact any of the other buyers until after midnight, which was 6 hours after he was no longer a member.

Any suggestions on what I can do, and does anyone think my account will be shut down?

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Posted By: David Smith

I am pretty sure it is the same seller who ripped people off (sportsauthenticapparel) who has a new eBay seller name.

Redmarie1922 is out of Utah, sells Oakley sunglasses and has autographed sports items for sale. If you look at sportsauthenticapparel's 30 day completed sales list, they sold Oakley sunglasses, the fake cards and newer autographed sports items.

Just a heads up. I am watching to see if redmarie1922 starts listing "vintage" cards.

David

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Posted By: dennis

no,your acct. will not be shut down. he is a liar as well as a thief. his intentions were to defraud from the start....sorry to say but i think he knew what he was selling was fake and he would never have given refunds.he should be prosecuted and sent to jail.

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Posted By: Josh K.

I think you should send another email and let him know that you will be contacting the authorities, put the phrase "wire fraud" somewhere in the email for good measure. you might also consider a small claim action if you have an address - usually costs about $50 to file and your time, but due to the relatively small amount and the need to travel, its probably not worth your efforts (though some states have laws for unfair and deceptive practices that provide for the recovery of triple your damages and attroneys fees - so it may be possible to find a local attorney willing to handle the matter).

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Posted By: Trevor

So I called the Provo UT police dept and spoke to an officer who is going to be looking into it. I emailed him a bunch of info, I hope he can help. Ill keep you all informed. Thanks for all of the help. Oh and I contacted ebay about his new name.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

I don't know about you guys, but I am willing to contribute some money to Trevor to help recoup his loss and get this jerk. He has spent time serving our country in Iraq and comes back and gets screwed over by this jerk.

Trevor, if you have a Paypal account I would like to know or at least an address to send you a little money to help recoup your loss.

Lee

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Posted By: Trevor

I appreciete the offer, i really do, but I don't think that you should have to pay me for my mistake. What I really want is to bust this guy, so that he cannot do it to others. I have not heard back from the Provo UT Police.

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Posted By: Anonymous

SO the cop that I spoke to In Utah seems to be making little progress, he emailed about a week after I first contacted him, and basicially wanted all of the info I had already givem him, and I have not heard from him since.

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Posted By: David Smith

Have you tried the San Diego FBI? They ran a Sting operation a few years ago targeting eBay scammers, maybe they can help you.

Also, I think the scammers (sportsauthenticapparel) are back again. After they were NARU'd, they came back as Redmarie1922 and were NARU'd again. Now, someone from Provo, Utah, eBay id, Redcarson1919 is selling Oakley sunglasses and buying Michael Jordan items. Same as Sportsauthenticapparel.

Let the Utah police. Attorney General and the FBI know about that and see what happens.

Good luck in catching this creep,

David

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Posted By: NBrazil

This is probably too small a matter for the local police to care about. I've heard a lot of stories where a buyer who got scammed calls the local police to report it...and never hears from the authorities ever again. I would continue to press the local police, but i would think about taking matters in your own hands...small claims court, for instance.