JSA and PSA/DNA are the best things to happen to this hobby

[mighty bombjack]

bait

[Sean1125]

9/11/13 The day to remember.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Travis bait

"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in....."

[joed25]

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by joed25

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

Not sure of the percentage, probably close....but otherwise, agree.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by joed25

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

Is that so? And how long have you been involved in "the hobby"?

[joed25]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Is that so? And how long have you been involved in "the hobby"?

Is what so?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by joed25

Is what so?

Your absurd statement (And I quote.):

"They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby."

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by joed25

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

I would guess the percentage is much lower. I think they are better than nothing, but only for people who know nothing about autographs - for them it's a better crapshoot than the alternative.

[joed25]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I would guess the percentage is much lower. I think they are better than nothing, but only for people who know nothing about autographs - for them it's a better crapshoot than the alternative.

I agree. I wrote a little too fast. I don't think it's 99% but in my opinion it is close. I hate their high fees... But I can't understand how travesty thinks its bad for the hobby. Try finding a PSA certified Mantle or Dimmagio ball on eBay that is really fake. You will have a very difficult time. So for the uneducated collector PSA is a very good thing.

[Leon]

And my apologies for my post in this thread. I posted while thinking of the card side of PSA. As for the autograph PSA/DNA.....I really have no comment.

[shelly]

Joed. you are only looking at the sprots side. They have made so many mistakes on the entertainment side it is a joke. At this point in time they are the lesser of the two evils. Morales, Muller,Galo, Max, ACE and so on.
That being said there are a few people on this site I would trust more that PSA or Jimmey.

[mighty bombjack]

This thread has played out pretty much as I had hoped; this is a nice, level-headed discussion of these TPAs, the likes of which couldn't happen with a former poster around.

My personal view of the two major TPAs is that they are a product of the natural progression of the hobby moving online, following the steps of third party grading. I view them as a minor annoyance, in that their well-marketed presence has probably made my collecting slightly more expensive overall, and I actually think they are doing a fairly decent job given the volume that they deal with. I have seen evidence of incompetence, but no real evidence of fraud, much like a lot of the players in this hobby (I used to work at Topps and I would say the exact same thing about them).

I will say this: a JSA or PSA/DNA cert will not deter me from considering the auto, which is more than I can say for any other TPA that is not also itself a dealer. Call me jaded, but I actually don't think higher praise is possible for such a company that deals in volume in this hobby. For whatever reason, I can't bring myself to ask more of them, as they are a business working under a business model (one that will most likely eventually lead to their demise). They should refund the price of authentication when something they have OKed can be PROVEN fake. Outside of that, I don't see what they can or even should be held liable for.

Again, great thread guys.