Candy Box Cards.....Orange Border, All Star Candy, J=K, Baseball Bats etc...

[Leon]

With a recent pick up it seems like a good time for a Pre-War Candy Box card thread.

[Ladder7]

I believe these all to be...

[bigfanNY]

NICE pickups Leon only seen complete boxes once before. Thanks for Sharing.

Jonathan

[steve B]

That's really cool. I never knew those were from Lowell.

So I did a bit of looking and found a couple interesting things.

The company moved to Lowell around 1907 from Boston, 463-467 commercial street. The building is gone, or modernized so much it's not recognizable. The current building is part of the coast guard base.

The local paper on Nov 2 1910 was reporting that the creditors and bondholders of the company had met at the plant in Lowell to figure out if the company had the ability to pay it's bills. Apparently not, and one was appointed to look after the interests if the stakeholders.

On another interesting note, they were big in printing boxes and did work for "the sugar trust, from candy companies and the tobacco trust, and other concerns of similar kind" The tobacco trust of course was ATC, and the orange borders share a few poses with another more well known set.

Hmmmm...........I wonder what I can turn up in the local historical society.

Most likely nothing related, as their specialty was boxes especially novelty candy boxes for which they had several patents.

Steve B

[joeadcock]

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[e107collector]

I always liked these more obscure candy issues.

Anyone know of a Ty Cobb or Honus Wagner existing in a 1911 Baseball Bats issue? If so, any pics?

Thanks,
Tony

[uffda51]

[Exhibitman]

[soxinseven]

Great cards everyone. My lone contribution...

[calvindog]

I find it amazing as to how long no one knew where the "1910 W-UNC Orange Borders" cards came from. And also amazing how few full boxes remain in existence.

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[Leon]

I never tire of seeing that Cobb, Jeff. All things considered that one is a beauty. One of the main things that keeps me going is finding out what we don't know about our cards, there is so much. The Blanke Wenneker - Nadja connection was a big deal a few years ago. Here is another box, now if I can find J=k and Baseball Bats boxes I will be most of the way there (wherever "there" is).

[ValKehl]

IMHO, those 1911 Baseball Bats cards that have the red backgrounds and orange borders, such as this WaJo and Steve's Matty seen above, are the most striking of all the box cards.
Val

[VintageBall]

J=K, manufactured by J. Koenisberg, NY. The boxes also advertised jewelry!

[Tyler]

[brianp-beme]

Baseball Bats and especially the Orange Border cards have always been a favorite. I really like the photo selection in the Orange Border set, and if the card includes the Orange Border, the more attractive the overall image is to me. The fact that the photos used are not encountered often in other sets is a plus, and that when one comes available to view it is like you just discovered the joy of collecting all over again. Thanks for all the picture posts so far.

Here is one of my all time favorites...thank you barely noticeable staple holes!

Brian

[joeadcock]

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[ValKehl]

The Schapira Bros. cards were inserted into candy boxes, as opposed to being part of the candy box itself.
Val

[shammus]

Here are a few of mine. Ive sold most of the Orange Borders in that scan but I still have the Joss.... The Cobb and J=K Wagner are amongst my very favorite cards

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[Exhibitman]

Brian I think that Cobb is part of an ad sheet not a box. I have a Jeffries from the same issue with back advertising for a candy co.

[4815162342]

Gorgeous cards everyone!

[shammus]

Thanks for the info Adam. I'm honestly not sure what it's from. If you look closely on the borders, you can see bits of red sticking out. That and the paper stock led me to believe it was cut off of a box.

Curious about the Jeffries you mentioned....would you mind shooting me a scan or sharing it here? Thanks much!

[Leon]

a few more (shown before) but still neat to look at..

[Ladder7]

Wow, This thread wins the Chalmers;

[ValKehl]

Brian, thanks again for trading me this Sam Crawford card. I decided it would be my type card, so I am parting with my Orange Border team cards of Pittsburgh and Detroit, which are in the current Goodwin Auction - here are the links for anyone who might be interested (Leon, hope you are ok with my shameless plug!): http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...entoryid=28597 and http://www.goodwinandco.com/1910-Ora...-lot28598.aspx
Val

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by shammus

Thanks for the info Adam. I'm honestly not sure what it's from. If you look closely on the borders, you can see bits of red sticking out. That and the paper stock led me to believe it was cut off of a box.

Curious about the Jeffries you mentioned....would you mind shooting me a scan or sharing it here? Thanks much!

Here is the Jeffries; should explain the red bits on your card



Here is a version with the advertising back:

[joeadcock]

...naranja

[Brian Van Horn]

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[dferguso1988]

One of my favorites.


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[Ladder7]

With all the great Issues from this era. It's crazy that all these were spared the trash heap.

Steve B, great research, thanks. As a young medic, I worked the streets in Lowell. Some nasty sh!t went down. Happy to see they've cleaned it up.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

With all the great Issues from this era. It's crazy that all these were spared the trash heap.

Steve B, great research, thanks. As a young medic, I worked the streets in Lowell. Some nasty sh!t went down. Happy to see they've cleaned it up.

Thanks,

And yes, Lowell is much better than it was. Somewhere there's an article comparing Lowell to Lawrence. Two cities that are near each other and nearly identical in some ways. But that took very different paths.

I still need to get over to the historical society to see if they have anything. It's very hit and miss, some stuff they have lots of info, others it's just the listing in the city guides from the early 1900's.

There's a book about early baseball in Lowell. I picked up a copy but haven't read it yet.

Steve B

[Hal Kaplan]

Originally Posted by steve B

That's really cool. I never knew those were from Lowell.

So I did a bit of looking and found a couple interesting things.

The company moved to Lowell around 1907 from Boston, 463-467 commercial street. The building is gone, or modernized so much it's not recognizable. The current building is part of the coast guard base.

The local paper on Nov 2 1910 was reporting that the creditors and bondholders of the company had met at the plant in Lowell to figure out if the company had the ability to pay it's bills. Apparently not, and one was appointed to look after the interests if the stakeholders.

On another interesting note, they were big in printing boxes and did work for "the sugar trust, from candy companies and the tobacco trust, and other concerns of similar kind" The tobacco trust of course was ATC, and the orange borders share a few poses with another more well known set.

Hmmmm...........I wonder what I can turn up in the local historical society.

Most likely nothing related, as their specialty was boxes especially novelty candy boxes for which they had several patents.

Steve B

The P.R. Warren company name also appears on the back of the E125s.

[Ladder7]

For Steve B, the old Goudey Gum factory is still standing downtown on Broad St., across from The Littlest Bar.

[steve B]

I knew about the Goudey place, I think National Chicle is still standing? And Delong. Haven't looked for US Caramel.

The George C Miller location I think went to the Mass Pike. Either that or was removed around then and some new place built. The closest I can find for the address is a tiny houselike building. That just doesn't seem right unless the office was in a house and the warehouse was somewhere else. Or maybe they had someone else print and distribute- There were a lot of gum/candy places in town doing cards.

I always imagine a print shop salesman having a really good year selling the idea of cards to just about every place in town.

Steve B

[steve B]

The closest guess I can find so far for where PR warren was located in Lowell is currently the textile history museum. I'll have to find a better source than what's online. The machine shop companies that had buildings they moved to occupied a huge stretch of Dutton street, everything from about the current Fletcher street to broadway and from Dutton to the canal behind it. So either the museum, the big building next door or the now parking lots out back.

Steve B