NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Postwar Sportscard Forums > Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-06-2017, 03:14 PM
Jim65's Avatar
Jim65 Jim65 is offline
Jam.es Braci.liano
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,277
Default 1967 Topps Discs question

Are there 2 versions of these. I thought one of these might be a proof but the Standard Catalog says they only exist in proof form.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg s-l225.jpg (6.3 KB, 285 views)
File Type: jpg s-l225_1.jpg (3.2 KB, 284 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-06-2017, 03:25 PM
ALR-bishop ALR-bishop is offline
Al Richter
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 8,947
Default

There were two separate proof groups of the Discs in 67, one of All Stars and one of only SF Giants. While they were never issued at retail ( I don't think even on a limited test basis), the proofs for each player can be found in different degrees on completeness. I ended up with an unfinished proof sheet. I think Howard siad he won the 68 sheet that was recently auctioned



Last edited by ALR-bishop; 12-06-2017 at 03:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-06-2017, 04:02 PM
Jim65's Avatar
Jim65 Jim65 is offline
Jam.es Braci.liano
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,277
Default

Thanks Al, I had a feeling you would know
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-06-2017, 04:29 PM
Mark70Z's Avatar
Mark70Z Mark70Z is offline
M@rk Comer
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 2,875
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim65 View Post
Are there 2 versions of these. I thought one of these might be a proof but the Standard Catalog says they only exist in proof form.
IMO the two you pictured are the same type of proof. Believe both of these have the silver type foil background. When the disc was scanned or the picture was taken they appear different when viewed, but I think in hand both would be the silver foil. As Al noted they are all proofs, but you can find these discs in a variety of color progressions.

The only difference, in regard to versions, I have seen on the ‘68’s is that some have the silver foil and some have the plain white stock. I’m unsure if collectors would consider these variations, but they are definitely different.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-08-2017, 03:27 PM
toppcat's Avatar
toppcat toppcat is offline
Dave.Horn.ish
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,800
Default

I have a Gene Alley proof from 1968 that is on a white background, not silver. I would think that is possible in 1967 as well.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 68 topps baseball disc.jpg (57.7 KB, 218 views)

Last edited by toppcat; 12-08-2017 at 03:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-08-2017, 04:22 PM
hcv123 hcv123 is offline
Howard Chasser
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,422
Default Don't think so

Quote:
Originally Posted by toppcat View Post
I have a Gene Alley proof from 1968 that is on a white background, not silver. I would think that is possible in 1967 as well.
Just a guess here. I owned years ago a 1968 Mantle on paper that had a similar crease to your Alley. I also owned a Rose on foil no crease (from the Halper collection). I have seen at least 4 1967 proof sheets and a handfull of assorted singles and have never seen a 1967 on paper - only foil. I presume the origins will remain a mystery if and until one shows up. Also curious why the 1968 seems so much harder than the 1967.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-10-2017, 05:57 AM
Jim65's Avatar
Jim65 Jim65 is offline
Jam.es Braci.liano
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,277
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hcv123 View Post
Just a guess here. I owned years ago a 1968 Mantle on paper that had a similar crease to your Alley. I also owned a Rose on foil no crease (from the Halper collection). I have seen at least 4 1967 proof sheets and a handfull of assorted singles and have never seen a 1967 on paper - only foil. I presume the origins will remain a mystery if and until one shows up. Also curious why the 1968 seems so much harder than the 1967.
So the '68 is tougher? The Standard Catalog says the '68 is more common.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-10-2017, 06:43 AM
ALR-bishop ALR-bishop is offline
Al Richter
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 8,947
Default

Howard is right.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-10-2017, 07:19 AM
frankhardy's Avatar
frankhardy frankhardy is offline
Shane
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Western KY
Posts: 662
Default

As for addressing the original question, Mark hit the nail on the head. I believe the original 2 pictures are the same. They both are silver foil. The pictures are shot with different lighting and at a different angle.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-10-2017, 10:57 AM
toppcat's Avatar
toppcat toppcat is offline
Dave.Horn.ish
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,800
Default

I have seen some of those creased 68's as well over the years. With proofs it's sometimes a matter of what part of the process survived or who purloined it.

The 68's are much more difficult than the 67's and IMO it's not close.

Last edited by toppcat; 12-10-2017 at 10:58 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-19-2018, 11:16 AM
ooo-ribay's Avatar
ooo-ribay ooo-ribay is offline
Rob
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Salt Lake
Posts: 4,844
Default

I'm a little confused...

Is this "black/magenta ink" pic (pulled from google) an example of discs that would eventually be full color after more ink was applied?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg lf.jpg (78.6 KB, 90 views)
__________________
if you can help with SF Giants items (no cards), let me send you my wantlist!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-19-2018, 11:52 AM
sflayank sflayank is offline
larry s
larry ser.ota
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: sunrise fl
Posts: 4,693
Default 67s

Those are from the giants disc set
Missing all the colors
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-19-2018, 02:04 PM
Mark70Z's Avatar
Mark70Z Mark70Z is offline
M@rk Comer
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 2,875
Default 1967 Giants

Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo-ribay View Post
I'm a little confused...

Is this "black/magenta ink" pic (pulled from google) an example of discs that would eventually be full color after more ink was applied?
These are progressive proofs with only a couple colors. I’m no printing expert, or even a novice for that matter, but I don’t think colors would be added to this, but was a proof for those particular colors alone.

They look kinda cool too and there not really cards, but discs. Are you going to start collecting these type of Giants items?!?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-19-2018, 03:20 PM
hcv123 hcv123 is offline
Howard Chasser
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,422
Default .

They are missing blue and yellow.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-19-2018, 05:15 PM
ooo-ribay's Avatar
ooo-ribay ooo-ribay is offline
Rob
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Salt Lake
Posts: 4,844
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark70Z View Post
These are progressive proofs with only a couple colors. I’m no printing expert, or even a novice for that matter, but I don’t think colors would be added to this, but was a proof for those particular colors alone.

They look kinda cool too and there not really cards, but discs. Are you going to start collecting these type of Giants items?!?
Not going to start collecting, even though they are way cool.

So.....is the consensus that these primarily magenta hued are one issue and the full color are another? i.e. the magenta did not "progress" (through some printing process) to full color?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1967-topps-giants-test-discs-complete-set-uncut-sheet.jpg (51.0 KB, 68 views)
__________________
if you can help with SF Giants items (no cards), let me send you my wantlist!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-19-2018, 09:46 PM
steve B steve B is offline
Steve Birmingham
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: eastern Mass.
Posts: 8,087
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo-ribay View Post
Not going to start collecting, even though they are way cool.

So.....is the consensus that these primarily magenta hued are one issue and the full color are another? i.e. the magenta did not "progress" (through some printing process) to full color?

Sort of.


Progressive proofs are done to check that the color is right, and lines up with the other color. With CMYK, you sometimes get all the possible combinations, sometimes only certain ones. These are just Magenta and black


It also allows them to check for problems with each design. Like on the Perry, his name sort of gets buried in how dark his collar is. It's not too bad on the full color version so probably not something they'd fix. But this is the stage to find that stuff and fix it if it doesn't work.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Q: 1967/68 Topps Test Discs - Brooks Mark70Z Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 7 12-23-2014 07:47 AM
1967 & 1968 Topps Test Discs - Expanding the Knowledge Base Archive Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 11 03-25-2010 06:19 PM
1967-68 topps discs Archive Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 0 09-06-2008 10:09 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:53 PM.


ebay GSB