T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Rhotchkiss]

Hi Ted, it’s been a while. I hope all is well. I can tell you offline where my set is. I can tell you online, I almost never look at the set now that it’s complete and I am no longer upgrading. In fact, as sad as it sounds, I rarely look at any of my actual cards, but I do often look at their images on my phone.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Hi Ted, it’s been a while. I hope all is well. I can tell you offline where my set is. I can tell you online, I almost never look at the set now that it’s complete and I am no longer upgrading. In fact, as sad as it sounds, I rarely look at any of my actual cards, but I do often look at their images on my phone.

Hi Ryan

Thanks for responding. I missed you at the National. I was set-up only Tuesday - Thursday. Perhaps, we will see each other at the forthcoming Philly Show in Oaks, Pennsylvania.

You have the quintessential T206 set, plus some really great T206 runs. I really appreciate that. And, I don't mean to be prying.

I'm forever upgrading my sets. Sometimes when someone contacts me looking for certain card(s), I pull the card(s) from my PIEDMONT or SWEET CAPORAL binders (never from
my SOVEREIGN set). Then I eventually replace these card(s).

Take care, my friend.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

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Speaking about an all - T206 SOVEREIGN SET. Besides mine, I know of three other Net54ers who have also completed this set, since I did it back in 2007.
Although, this complete basic set consists of only 402 different subjects, it is not an easy set to complete. Mine is 93.6 % Un-graded. Two of the other sets
that I know of are Graded, and the 3rd set (I think) is partially Graded.

The Six Super-Prints ** were printed with both the SOVEREIGN 350 and SOVEREIGN 460 backs. The Super-Prints 460 back is considerably tougher to find
than the regular 460-only series subjects (46) in the set.

I am happy to call my set complete with 408 cards. Although, I do have about 34 more cards towards a SOVEREIGN master set of 476 cards.

If you are contemplating completing a SOVEREIGN set, this red Cobb with the SOVEREIGN 460 back is a "toughie". It was the last card I needed for my set.


Whatever, the main topic here still remains.....Graded vs Un-graded.....so Show-n-Tell us about your T206 cards (sets).


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** Note......The Six Super-Prints are......





TED Z

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[Ronnie73]

I don't think I have any grading preference at the moment. When I first started the set, I wanted everything graded by PSA. Mainly for their Registry. But as time went on, I didn't care much. I had no problem buying raw or SGC cards. At times I would count how many raw and other TPG's I had, and then multiply them by $6 because at the time, that was PSA's bulk pricing. It was too much money and I couldn't justify it, and would rather use that same money for more T206's. Then I'd buy more cards and a year would pass, and I'd count them up again, and come to the same conclusion. Even now at $22, I wouldn't do it. Plus I have a bunch of PSA cards that need to be reholdered, so it would identify the card back, subject, and factory number. So that would be even more money.

My collection sits in BCW graded double rowed boxes. I don't get to enjoy the cards, like another member mentioned above. They are well secured but probably not to the extent as Ryan's collection. Honestly, the only time I get to enjoy the cards is when someone wants to see a scan or picture of a certain card. While I shuffle through the boxes to find the card, I see many other cards and I'm suprised to see I have them, even though I see my spreadsheet daily. So it's safe to say I don't enjoy them as much as I should. I keep them in alphabetical order. Once a year, I pull out all the boxes and set them up on a 8 foot folding table, and add in my past years purchases. I keep all the raw cards in one box, with each card in a card saver, so they are ready to grade maybe one day or if everything goes to auction. I might be open to a trade for a T206 Honus Wagner PSA 1. I might enjoy that more often.



Currenly my grading breakdown of cards is:

19 BVG
4 GAI
1 GMA
1 ISA
762 PSA
321 SGC
462 Ungraded


Currenly my card back breakdown is:

American Beauty No Frame 350 = 21
American Beauty With Frame 350 = 48
American Beauty 460 = 11
Cycle 350 = 81
Cycle 460 = 25
EPDG = 102
Hindu Brown = 4
Old Mill Black = 193
Old Mill Blue = 1
Old Mill Black SL = 48
Piedmont 150 = 19
Piedmont 350 = 69
Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 = 3
Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 = 11
Polar Bear = 248
Sovereign 150 = 102
Sovereign 350 = 177
Sovereign 460 = 51
Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 25 = 14
Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 30 = 10
Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Over Print = 31
Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 25 = 75
Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30 = 38
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 25 = 9
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 = 12
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 No Prints = 57
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42 = 2
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42 Over Print = 6
Tolstoi = 99

The totals above include a few varieties and a small handful of duplicates.



So, 71 Percent Is Graded. I don't see my collecting strategy changing. I'd really like to see my collection displayed like how Powell's collection was displayed. Except I would need more depth for all the back runs of each card.




MY CURRENT DISPLAY (picture from a few years ago. boxes are currently much more full)






MY FUTURE DREAM GOALS (not my display. this is Powell's display)

[tedzan]

Hi Ron

Great story and great pictures. Thanks for posting them.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I keep all the raw cards in one box, with each card in a card saver, so they are ready to grade maybe one day or if everything goes to auction. I might be open to a trade for a T206 Honus Wagner PSA 1. I might enjoy that more often.

Ron......Over the years, it has been amazing how our thinking and experiences coincide (especially with respect to T206's). But, in this case, I disagree with you.

Wagner was a great ballplayer; however, I have never been fascinated with Wagner's "anti-Tobacco" story. He smoked cigars and chewed tobacco. In my opinion
his T206 card is overrated and over-priced. It defies the "the law of supply vs. demand". There are approximately the same number of T206 Plank's vs Wagner's.

The true anti-Tobacco dudes of that era were Connie Mack and Eddie Plank. Both of them avoided the use of tobacco in any form.


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[tedzan]

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.. Sweet Caporal ..... Sovereign ......... Piedmont_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards____...............American Beauty 460 .............................


I received an email from a Net54 "reader" asking me for the source of information for my contention that Mack and Plank refrained from using tobacco in any form.

In 2007 I posted a Net54 thread....https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...caramel&page=2....of my complicated theory regarding the scarcity of the T206 Eddie
Plank card, based on upon T206 cards vs E90-1 cards. Subsequently, my further research on this topic resulted in the most likely reason Plank was "short-printed".
Here are the two reasons......

1.....Connie Mack is quoted in his Biography...."Connie Mack (The Early Years of Baseball)", by Norman Macht.
"The secret of Plank's pitching is no secret at all. It is a good strong arm, a powerful constitution to back it, and neither drinks, SMOKES, nor swears"

2.....I attended events of the Philadelphia A's Historical Society. A number of years ago, the guest speaker at their annual November banquet was Connie Mack III.
He kept us mesmerized for 2 hours talking about his famous Grandfather. Afterwards, I had a chance to talk with him. A really friendly guy, Connie and I talked for
about 30 mins. We covered a lot of A's baseball (1901 - 1953). He confirmed that his Grandfather and Eddie Plank, both had a disdain for any form of tobacco use
and that they refused to endorse Tobacco products.


TED Z

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